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JWags85

Seeing Arenado find his form and play more like the Arenado of 22/23 once he gets away from STL would be hilarious.

Jockey

Arenado was never the hitter that we thought he was.

wadesworld

Quote from: Jockey on November 12, 2025, 11:37:36 AMArenado was never the hitter that we thought he was.

Why?  Because he played in Colorado?

He finished 3rd in MVP voting and won the Silver Slugger his second year with the Cardinals.  He hit 90 homers and had 301 RBIs and OPSs of .807, .891, and .774 in his first 3 seasons with them.

He's getting old.  Production declines as that happens.

Jockey

Quote from: wadesworld on November 12, 2025, 11:57:33 AMWhy?  Because he played in Colorado?

He finished 3rd in MVP voting and won the Silver Slugger his second year with the Cardinals.  He hit 90 homers and had 301 RBIs and OPSs of .807, .891, and .774 in his first 3 seasons with them.

He's getting old.  Production declines as that happens.

Yes. Colorado. He was a decent guy on the road.

OPS: .903/.788

OPS+: 114/87

So, an OK hitter on the road; an excellent hitter in Colorado. Combine that with great defense everywhere and he is an easy HoFer.

wadesworld

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Quote from: Jockey on November 12, 2025, 01:42:55 PMYes. Colorado. He was a decent guy on the road.

OPS: .903/.788

OPS+: 114/87

So, an OK hitter on the road; an excellent hitter in Colorado. Combine that with great defense everywhere and he is an easy HoFer.

.788 OPS, especially when you're including his rookie season when he wasn't very good and the last 2 years while he's starting to show a decent amount of decline in production, is definitely better than an "OK" hitter.  That would've been good for the 55th highest OPS in the MLB this year, above guys like Elly De La Cruz, Jarren Duran, Jose Altuve, Jackson Chourio, Pete Corw-Amrstrong, Ian Happ, etc.

Yes, his numbers were inflated by playing in Colorado.  But he proved in his first 3 years in St. Louis that he is (or was) one of the better hitters in baseball.  Proven by the fact that he led the MLB in WAR in year 2 in St. Louis.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: tower912 on November 11, 2025, 08:10:36 PMCongratulations to Pat Murphy. NL manager of the year for the second straight season.

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Jockey

Quote from: wadesworld on November 12, 2025, 02:07:10 PM.788 OPS, especially when you're including his rookie season when he wasn't very good and the last 2 years while he's starting to show a decent amount of decline in production, is definitely better than an "OK" hitter.  That would've been good for the 55th highest OPS in the MLB this year, above guys like Elly De La Cruz, Jarren Duran, Jose Altuve, Jackson Chourio, Pete Corw-Amrstrong, Ian Happ, etc.

Yes, his numbers were inflated by playing in Colorado.  But he proved in his first 3 years in St. Louis that he is (or was) one of the better hitters in baseball.  Proven by the fact that he led the MLB in WAR in year 2 in St. Louis.

That is when you include defense.

For offensive WAR over his career, he trails guys like Yelich (despite the injuries, Turner, Seager, Semien, Bogaerts, Lindor, and others who have played the same number of years or fewer than Arenado. None of them played half their games in Colorado.

Yes he is a HoFer, but he was a good - not great - hitter outside Coors.

MU82

If the Mariners don't re-sign Saurez, and if the Cardinals don't have unrealistic trade demands, I wouldn't mind Arenado.

Word is that the Phillies are high on Arenado, though.
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CreightonWarrior

I'm pretty sure the 2018 series against the Brewers broke him and the entire Rockies franchise.

18thandWells

Congratulations to Nico Horner on his MVP vote.

tower912

Congratulations to Skubal.  He says he wants to be a Tiger.  Tigers say they want to keep him.  Scott Boras...
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MU82

Was pulling for Big Dumper obviously, but Judge had an incredible season too.
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Jockey

Quote from: tower912 on November 13, 2025, 08:03:57 PMCongratulations to Skubal.  He says he wants to be a Tiger.  Tigers say they want to keep him.  Scott Boras...

There's a $1 limit on the hometown discount.

We've seen the same scenario over and over.

FAs only care about 3 things.
1. Money
2. Money
3. Money

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