2025 MLB Season

[wadesworld]

I don't see Jackson, Rose or Bonds making it. Just speaking for myself, I'm okay with that.

That's because baseball writers take themselves way, way too seriously.

[WhiteTrash]

That's because baseball writers take themselves way, way too seriously.

I guess you could say that MLB takes themselves way too seriously also.

[ChuckyChip]

That's because baseball writers take themselves way, way too seriously.

I don't think the baseball writers will be voting on Jackson or Rose.  They would fall to the veterans committee (or whatever) which I believe is made up of former players/current HOFers.

[TallTitan34]

Put them all in if their numbers warrant it.  It's a museum.  If someone was proven guilty of something, note that. 

[Pakuni]

Put them all in if their numbers warrant it.  It's a museum.  If someone was proven guilty of something, note that. 

I think this is the correct take once a would-be inductee is dead.
The potential of never living to see that day as a deterrent, though, should remain.

[The Sultan]

I don't think the baseball writers will be voting on Jackson or Rose.  They would fall to the veterans committee (or whatever) which I believe is made up of former players/current HOFers.

It's the Classic Baseball Era Committee, but they only select every three years is my understanding. And that is how Dick Allen and Dave Parker were elected for this upcoming year, so the earliest looks like it would be 2028.

Unless I am misunderstanding this.

[ChuckyChip]

It's the Classic Baseball Era Committee, but they only select every three years is my understanding. And that is how Dick Allen and Dave Parker were elected for this upcoming year, so the earliest looks like it would be 2028.

Unless I am misunderstanding this.

Sounds right. My point was that it will not be the BBWA group, who vote on the "regular" candidates, that would be involved in voting on Rose or any of the other reinstated players.

[WhiteTrash]

Put them all in if their numbers warrant it.  It's a museum.  If someone was proven guilty of something, note that. 

I think it was Dan Patrick who suggested having a "Cheaters Wing" of the Hall. Put them in but call them out as you suggest.

[MU82]

Sounds right. My point was that it will not be the BBWA group, who vote on the "regular" candidates, that would be involved in voting on Rose or any of the other reinstated players.

Your understanding is correct. BBWAA voters never had an eligible Pete Rose to vote for. A few BBWAA voters over the years did include him as a write-in choice, but that's all.

When he was alive, I advocated for making him eligible for the Hall for his accomplishments but never letting him be an official part of the sport. Meaning he couldn't be a manager or coach or in a front office or an "ambassador," etc.

But I never felt sorry for him that he couldn't get in while he was alive - he barred himself through his actions and his lies.

And I have no problem with what Manfred ruled here, either. Makes a lot of sense.

The voters on the Classic committee (and the precursor, which I think was called the Veterans committee) tend to be real traditionalists, so I'm not sure he'll get in, but maybe. It'll certainly be an interesting story to follow once the voting is taking place.

[Uncle Rico]

Say what you will about Pete Rose but he is probably the all-time hits leaders amongst pedophiles

[MU82]

Say what you will about Pete Rose but he is probably the all-time hits leaders amongst pedophiles

For better or worse, he'd just be one of many douchenozzle SOBs in the Hall.

Among the rules that BBWAA voters are asked to follow is this:

Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.

But very few voters rank integrity, sportsmanship and character high on the list (if at all) when filling out their ballots.

[Uncle Rico]

For better or worse, he'd just be one of many douchenozzle SOBs in the Hall.

Among the rules that BBWAA voters are asked to follow is this:

Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.

But very few voters rank integrity, sportsmanship and character high on the list (if at all) when filling out their ballots.

He probably wouldn't be the only pedophile in the HOF, I agree

[MU82]

Almost surely not.

BTW, I misspoke a little in my previous post, as many voters apparently invoked "integrity" and "character" in keeping juicers out of the Hall.

[MuggsyB]

How good was Willie Keeler?  Listed at 5'4. 

Career .341 hitter.

[Uncle Rico]

How good was Willie Keeler?  Listed at 5'4. 

Career .341 hitter.

I don't know.  He's been dead for a century

[tower912]

Hit 'em where they ain't.  Choked up on the bat.  Could place it anywhere.  No power.  Superb bunter.  Baltimore chop inventor.  That is from my baseball obsessed youth without looking it up.

[Shaka Shart]

Reds having Pete Rose night tomorrow on the 14th is funny. I know Pete was a big fan of that number

[MuggsyB]

I don't know.  He's been dead for a century
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I don't know.  He's been dead for a century

You're supposed to know. Another example of EDCB (Extreme Diminutive Citizen Bias).  Inexcusable.

[tower912]

You're supposed to know. Another example of EDCB (Extreme Diminutive Citizen Bias).  Inexcusable.

Then why do you have to ask?  Inexcusable that you don't know details about a short baseball player.

[MuggsyB]

Then why do you have to ask?  Inexcusable that you don't know details about a short baseball player.

It's Rico's job to know.  He should apologize for emphasizing Willie's death. 

[Uncle Rico]

It's Rico's job to know.  He should apologize for emphasizing Willie's death. 

He's still dead

[MuggsyB]

He's still dead

Yes.  But Willie Keeler, Willie Shoemaker, and Willie Pep should all he greatly respected. Pep was a heck of a fighter. 

[Uncle Rico]

Yes.  But Willie Keeler, Willie Shoemaker, and Willie Pep should all he greatly respected. Pep was a heck of a fighter. 

So should Seka

[MuggsyB]

So should Seka

Who? 

[JWags85]

Among the many surprising things from the start of the season, I don't think anyone expected to see Baez hitting .320 a quarter of the way through the season