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tower912

Now who's the cockeyed optimist?  Good for you.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Pakuni

Quote from: tower912 on March 24, 2025, 08:59:37 PMNow who's the cockeyed optimist?  Good for you.

About landing Johnson? Yeah, one would have to be optimist to think that's likely.
About him immediately becoming MU's best post player? One would have to be delusional to think otherwise.


MU82

Iowa State owes us a few. Come to the light, Dishon Jackson!
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"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

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JTJ3

I think we'll add a big, but hard pass on Dishon Jackson.  No interest in bigs who cant move.  There's a reason Iowa State is looking to upgrade from him.

MUbiz

Quote from: JTJ3 on March 24, 2025, 09:39:59 PMI think we'll add a big, but hard pass on Dishon Jackson.  No interest in bigs who cant move.  There's a reason Iowa State is looking to upgrade from him.

I would not say ISU is looking to upgrade from him. I know an ISU booster, and the continuity of their team was not ideal heading into the NCAA. Arguably their best player, Gilbert, stayed at home in Ames and did not travel with the team with a strained groin for the NCAAs. There has been much speculation on the relationships the team has after they had 7 losses since February after being ranked #2 in AP. He expects more xfers out of ISU.

IrwinFletcher

Quote from: MUbiz on March 25, 2025, 09:03:15 AMI would not say ISU is looking to upgrade from him. I know an ISU booster, and the continuity of their team was not ideal heading into the NCAA. Arguably their best player, Gilbert, stayed at home in Ames and did not travel with the team with a strained groin for the NCAAs. There has been much speculation on the relationships the team has after they had 7 losses since February after being ranked #2 in AP. He expects more xfers out of ISU.

Gilbert and his backcourt teammate had a lot of injuries that led to uneven play the past month +.  If there are relationship issues, it was kept pretty quiet.

MUbiz

Quote from: IrwinFletcher on March 25, 2025, 09:07:06 AMGilbert and his backcourt teammate had a lot of injuries that led to uneven play the past month +.  If there are relationship issues, it was kept pretty quiet.

It was obvious if you follow the team and go look back at Gilbert's media. Smirking when answering questions - his general body language was not good.

CountryRoads

Quote from: MUbiz on March 25, 2025, 09:29:22 AMIt was obvious if you follow the team and go look back at Gilbert's media. Smirking when answering questions - his general body language was not good.

Weird. When they were winning all we heard is that TJO adds a lot of transfers but that they all "fit the culture." Almost as if winning and strong culture are highly correlated. Losing puts a strain on culture. No way around it.

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: MUbiz on March 25, 2025, 09:03:15 AMI would not say ISU is looking to upgrade from him. I know an ISU booster, and the continuity of their team was not ideal heading into the NCAA. Arguably their best player, Gilbert, stayed at home in Ames and did not travel with the team with a strained groin for the NCAAs. There has been much speculation on the relationships the team has after they had 7 losses since February after being ranked #2 in AP. He expects more xfers out of ISU.


It's seeming like Gilbert wasn't out for injury.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

MUbiz

Quote from: CountryRoads on March 25, 2025, 09:43:03 AMWeird. When they were winning all we heard is that TJO adds a lot of transfers but that they all "fit the culture." Almost as if winning and strong culture are highly correlated. Losing puts a strain on culture. No way around it.

Interesting, isn't it?  There is some truth to winning cures all. You can go back in history and find many teams that won championships that just hated each other outside of their time together in competition.

MUbiz

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 25, 2025, 09:46:03 AMIt's seeming like Gilbert wasn't out for injury.

It is interesting he gutted through whatever injury he had and then when the Big 12 tournament was over, TJO announced he was done for season and did not want to take any more questions about it. The biggest red flag for me was the fact Gilbert did not even travel with the team to Milwaukee for the 1st and 2nd rounds.

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: MUbiz on March 25, 2025, 09:49:14 AMIt is interesting he gutted through whatever injury he had and then when the Big 12 tournament was over, TJO announced he was done for season and did not want to take any more questions about it. The biggest red flag for me was the fact Gilbert did not even travel with the team to Milwaukee for the 1st and 2nd rounds.

He unfollowed the team as well immediately. And the Otz "he's just gotta rest his body" thing was bizarre

Seems like it was a money thing
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

Hards Alumni

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 25, 2025, 09:57:04 AMHe unfollowed the team as well immediately. And the Otz "he's just gotta rest his body" thing was bizarre

Seems like it was a money thing

It's also hard for teams to prove tampering.

MuMark

Quote from: CountryRoads on March 25, 2025, 09:43:03 AMWeird. When they were winning all we heard is that TJO adds a lot of transfers but that they all "fit the culture." Almost as if winning and strong culture are highly correlated. Losing puts a strain on culture. No way around it.

Or their culture wasn't strong enough to handle the inevitable ups and downs of a season. Like using cheap materials to build a house........it works fine for a while.....but when storms hit you end up with lots of damage.


Zog from Margo

A mercenary does not tend to fight as hard as those fighting to protect their own.

MUbiz

Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2025, 10:11:41 AMIt's also hard for teams to prove tampering.

This is true. Even if they do prove tampering, the NCAA does not enforce it anyway. Or at least I have not seen any enforcement to date.

tower912

If Shaka had used the portal and achieved the results he has, I would be supporting his use of the portal.  It is a tool.  We can argue about whether it is improving the game, but it is the standard right now.   So be it. 
  If Shaka stays out of the portal and remains successful, great.  If Shaka uses the portal and remains successful, great.  I am not on some kind of crusade.  But based on his words and actions, it is my opinion that things remain status quo, barring unexpected departures.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

burger

Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2025, 11:21:05 AMIf Shaka had used the portal and achieved the results he has, I would be supporting his use of the portal.  It is a tool.  We can argue about whether it is improving the game, but it is the standard right now.   So be it. 
  If Shaka stays out of the portal and remains successful, great.  If Shaka uses the portal and remains successful, great.  I am not on some kind of crusade.  But based on his words and actions, it is my opinion that things remain status quo, barring unexpected departures.

There might be "expected" departures.  At least there needs to be.  In my opinion...

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2025, 11:21:05 AMIf Shaka had used the portal and achieved the results he has, I would be supporting his use of the portal.  It is a tool.  We can argue about whether it is improving the game, but it is the standard right now.  So be it. 
  If Shaka stays out of the portal and remains successful, great.  If Shaka uses the portal and remains successful, great.  I am not on some kind of crusade.  But based on his words and actions, it is my opinion that things remain status quo, barring unexpected departures.

And Shaka's success or lack thereof will not be known anytime soon. He's using the HS recruit and develop system (but not ruling out a transfer if need be), and unlike the potential immediate reward of a portal transfer, it may easily take 2-3 or more seasons to know whether or not it works. We may have to wait until the '26-'27 season (or later) to have some idea of it all. The Right Now! portal scoopers who vented their rage over this past season and the New Mexico game may want to consider getting used to being disappointed that their measuring bars might not be reached soon.
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Galway Eagle

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 25, 2025, 11:55:15 AMAnd Shaka's success or lack thereof will not be known anytime soon. He's using the HS recruit and develop system (but not ruling out a transfer if need be), and unlike the potential immediate reward of a portal transfer, it may easily take 2-3 or more seasons to know whether or not it works. We may have to wait until the '26-'27 season (or later) to have some idea of it all. The Right Now! portal scoopers who vented their rage over this past season and the New Mexico game may want to consider getting used to being disappointed that their measuring bars might not be reached soon.

Yeah i expect next season we're probably closer to Shakas first than season 2 & 3. But the year after I have high hopes for upper class DO & RP as the next era of greats. 

The important step is not taking too far a step backwards next year. I can live with a year of a double digit seed  as long as we made it and continue to have that winning culture for guys to develop in. None of the 2016 or 2018 Wojo stuff where we win a decent amount with a couple awesome highlights but nothing happens.
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Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 25, 2025, 12:09:34 PMYeah i expect next season we're probably closer to Shakas first than season 2 & 3. But the year after I have high hopes for upper class DO & RP as the next era of greats. 

The important step is not taking too far a step backwards next year. I can live with a year of a double digit seed  as long as we made it and continue to have that winning culture for guys to develop in. None of the 2016 or 2018 Wojo stuff where we win a decent amount with a couple awesome highlights but nothing happens.

That's the question...hypothetically, could people here deal with missing the tourney next season if ultimately led to a good chance at protected seeds the following two seasons with the core staying and developing. 

I could live with that but as we know many here would lose their minds. 

That being said, I am expecting another tourney berth next season

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 25, 2025, 12:25:31 PMThat's the question...hypothetically, could people here deal with missing the tourney next season if ultimately led to a good chance at protected seeds the following two seasons with the core staying and developing. 

I could live with that but as we know many here have already lost their minds. 

That being said, I am expecting another tourney berth next season

FIFY
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

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Its DJOver

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 25, 2025, 12:25:31 PMThat being said, I am expecting another tourney berth next season

This.

Obviously still a lot of variables in play, but looking around, I still see 20+ wins a tourney appearance.
Scoop motto:
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 06, 2025, 06:04:29 PMthe stats bear that out, but

Dish

Donovan Dent enters the portal.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 25, 2025, 12:25:31 PMThat's the question...hypothetically, could people here deal with missing the tourney next season if ultimately led to a good chance at protected seeds the following two seasons with the core staying and developing. 

I could live with that but as we know many here would lose their minds. 

That being said, I am expecting another tourney berth next season

Completely missing? I could live with it in hindsight but I'd be pissed at the time. It is important to contextualize what missing looks like. I was patient when we missed in 2016 because we had a vast improvement from 2015. I was patient in 2018 because we barely missed out and we had some great wins along the way with Sam and Markus developing. Meanwhile, I had zero patience in 2021 when we had the talent we had and were nowhere near being in the conversation.

If we miss by a little and Shaka was giving the under classmen a decent run. Ok, bummer let's build I'll wait a year to judge to see if it was worth it. If we miss by a mile and he was doubling down on Tre with Zaide or Chase not stepping up as an alpha? I'll be a lot more upset
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