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PaintTouches

Far be it from me to step on Tower's game analysis toes, but it came to my attention that even the nerdiest of peeps I talk to weren't aware of Hoop-Explorer's Player Impact grades that are published after every game. It's an insane set of regressions I won't pretend to understand, but the results seem pretty good.

LINK HERE

To make it easier, I pulled out the individual player scores for every game this season and put them in a dashboard in the link above. (I'm using an intentionally difficult to see image to get you to click)


tower912

#1
Please, for the love of all that is good, step on my toes.  I will happily cede it to you.  I love reading the numbers stuff. 


And those are some very interesting numbers.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

GoldenEagles03

Very interesting.

Really shows the inconsistency of the Freshman and bench as a whole, and the recent drop off from 4 non-Kam starters minus the most recent from Stevie.
VIOLENCE!

BrewCity83

The shaka sign, sometimes known as "hang loose", is a gesture of friendly intent often associated with Hawaii and surf culture.

MU82

I love that. You gonna update that graphic after every game?
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"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

The Sultan

Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 18, 2025, 03:46:51 PMThis is super cool--love it

It is...but you can't have all those red blocks in the upper left hand corner.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

FairWeatherEagle

Thanks, love the charts and graphs with color that's meaningful.

I would only say your interpretation with 10+ being All American is a bit generous though certainly we've had a few of those this season.

But that's a quibble. It's great stuff. Kudos to you and Brewcity77 for providing stuff like this.

Shooter McGavin

Great stuff.  Thank you.  Really backs up the eye test. 

Some of the fall off with Ben is hopefully due to injury. And as Rico has mentioned Tre being injured could be having a clear impact on his performance all season.


PaintTouches

Quote from: MU82 on February 18, 2025, 04:12:04 PMI love that. You gonna update that graphic after every game?

Takes a few hours, but I'll do my best. The dashboard is updated with last night's scores.

StillWarriors

Quote from: PaintTouches on February 19, 2025, 08:00:10 AMTakes a few hours, but I'll do my best. The dashboard is updated with last night's scores.

Thank you! Really interesting to see how the stats meet the eye test.

BrewCity83

Quote from: The Sultan on February 18, 2025, 04:13:15 PMIt is...but you can't have all those red blocks in the upper left hand corner.

You're right.  The updated chart for this morning's upper left corner is all green.  Gotta get a string of those going.
The shaka sign, sometimes known as "hang loose", is a gesture of friendly intent often associated with Hawaii and surf culture.

tower912

If this can't be used as a tool to criticize players and Shaka for nut hitting the portal, then what is the point?

What would it have shown for the Chones/Alcindor match up?
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

nairb

Quote from: tower912 on February 19, 2025, 11:18:50 AMIf this can't be used as a tool to criticize players and Shaka for nut hitting the portal, then what is the point?

What would it have shown for the Chones/Alcindor match up?

What does "Brad Davidsoning" the portal even mean?

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Shooter McGavin

Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 18, 2025, 06:38:54 PMGreat stuff.  Thank you.  Really backs up the eye test. 

Some of the fall off with Ben is hopefully due to injury. And as Rico has mentioned Tre being injured could be having a clear impact on his performance all season.

Tre must have looked at the graph before the game.😂 I know it was only seton hall but he played well.  Liked what he said after the game about finally not feeling pressure all the time on the court.  Hope his confidence continues to grow.  I'm especially excited about how Shaka stated the second team in practice is getting more confident and sometimes beating the starters while scrimmaging.  Hopefully this can be a watershed  time of the year for the growth and winning portion of the three step plan. 

romey

Great night for Ben.  Also noticed that the highest single-game number after Kam's two best games was Ben's game vs. the BADgers.

PaintTouches

Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on February 18, 2025, 05:22:36 PMI would only say your interpretation with 10+ being All American is a bit generous though certainly we've had a few of those this season.

I got some help from the creator of the site as to how best to interpret the scale.

0-2: Role player/deep bench
2-4: Rotation caliber
4-6: Starter
6-8: Star
8-10: All Conference
10+: All American

For the full season, there are only 11 players above the 10.0 threshold.
1. Broome: +12
2. Flagg: +11.9
6. Kam: +10.6

Obviously you will have individual games that far surpass the general scale, but overall I do think it holds up. 

RJax55

Quote from: PaintTouches on February 19, 2025, 12:10:44 PMI got some help from the creator of the site as to how best to interpret the scale.

0-2: Role player/deep bench
2-4: Rotation caliber
4-6: Starter
6-8: Star
8-10: All Conference
10+: All American

For the full season, there are only 11 players above the 10.0 threshold.
1. Broome: +12
2. Flagg: +11.9
6. Kam: +10.6

Obviously you will have individual games that far surpass the general scale, but overall I do think it holds up. 

Yep. And, it is a solid look at why guys like Broome, Flagg and Kam are going to be All-Americans. They are playing at a high level almost every game.

MU82

Quote from: PaintTouches on February 19, 2025, 08:00:10 AMTakes a few hours, but I'll do my best. The dashboard is updated with last night's scores.

It takes you a few hours? Huh. It only takes me a few minutes to view it!

Seriously, thanks for your efforts so far, and for whatever you do going forward.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Hards Alumni

Such an excellent post.  Love being able to visualize this kind of thing.

mileskishnish72

Love the data. I hope it aligns with Scoop's SOTG awards.

taylor999

It's cool to see how players like Broome and Kam are consistently showing up.

MU82

Broome really swept to the top of the standings. He's cleaning up in lots of categories.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell


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