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BCHoopster

Quote from: MU82 on February 18, 2025, 04:07:44 PMPlease share with us what I'm sure were totally accurate (and optimistic) predictions of the players Kolek and Oso would become after one year in Shaka's program. Thanks!

I mean, if Shaka and his assistants have proven one thing over and over, it's that players never, ever improve under their watch. Kolek, Oso, Kam, Stevie, Ross, Joplin, OMax, Lowery - not a single one of them got better after Year 1.

So what do you think Owens will average next year?

Uncle Rico

Quote from: BCHoopster on February 18, 2025, 04:48:15 PMSo what do you think Owens will average next year?

6.9 ppg, 4.20 rpg
The Google old days

tower912

In honor of Pope Leo XIV,
Matthew 25: 31-46

Also in honor of Pope Leo,  I have no enemies.  I have brothers and sisters I sometimes disagree with.

Newsdreams

Goal is National Championship
CBP profile my people who landed here over 100 yrs before Mayflower. Most I've had to deal with are ignorant & low IQ.
Can't believe we're living in the land of F 452/1984/Animal Farm/Brave New World/Handmaid's Tale. When travel to Mars begins, expect Starship Troopers

Newsdreams

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2025, 04:52:37 PM6.9 ppg, 4.20 rpg
Do Ramsey now, I hear he is coming back.
Goal is National Championship
CBP profile my people who landed here over 100 yrs before Mayflower. Most I've had to deal with are ignorant & low IQ.
Can't believe we're living in the land of F 452/1984/Animal Farm/Brave New World/Handmaid's Tale. When travel to Mars begins, expect Starship Troopers


tower912

Quote from: We R Final Four on February 18, 2025, 05:33:15 PMMinutes?
Points.  He is the wild card, the stereotypical 2 ppg scorer that Shaka would rather develop than bring in an 18 ppg from the Big Sky conference.  I think he will make a huge leap.
In honor of Pope Leo XIV,
Matthew 25: 31-46

Also in honor of Pope Leo,  I have no enemies.  I have brothers and sisters I sometimes disagree with.

MU82

Quote from: BCHoopster on February 18, 2025, 04:48:15 PMSo what do you think Owens will average next year?

I have no idea. We'll see how much he improves. I'd expect it'll be a pretty good amount.

See, I learned pretty quickly to trust Shaka's ability to develop players. And until Shaka gives me reason not to, I'll continue trusting him. I look at all the guys I mentioned and think it's common sense to believe Owens will be better - and quite possibly much better - next season.

The better question is: Given the results Shaka has delivered so far, why do you distrust him so?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

tower912

Indeed.  BC, what have you seen that indicates Shaka is holding Owens back or doesn't develop players?
In honor of Pope Leo XIV,
Matthew 25: 31-46

Also in honor of Pope Leo,  I have no enemies.  I have brothers and sisters I sometimes disagree with.

Vander Blue Man Group

Won't surprise me one bit if Owens averages double figures next season.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 18, 2025, 06:32:58 PMWon't surprise me one bit if Owens averages double figures next season.

In what?  Missed shots?
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Newsdreams

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2025, 06:33:37 PMIn what?  Missed shots?
Should start a poll on Willie's nickname for Owens next season.
Goal is National Championship
CBP profile my people who landed here over 100 yrs before Mayflower. Most I've had to deal with are ignorant & low IQ.
Can't believe we're living in the land of F 452/1984/Animal Farm/Brave New World/Handmaid's Tale. When travel to Mars begins, expect Starship Troopers

tower912

Quote from: Newsdreams on February 18, 2025, 06:36:13 PMShould start a poll on Willie's nickname for Owens next season.
Darren
In honor of Pope Leo XIV,
Matthew 25: 31-46

Also in honor of Pope Leo,  I have no enemies.  I have brothers and sisters I sometimes disagree with.

BCHoopster

Quote from: tower912 on February 18, 2025, 05:52:05 PMIndeed.  BC, what have you seen that indicates Shaka is holding Owens back or doesn't develop players?

He's been playing him more as a point guard, not sold that's his best position. Taking a 6'8" forward and playing him with the ball in his hands is not easy. I think Owens is more of a slasher, needs to get the ball more in the paint.  Needs to get stronger and gain some weight, that will happen. Shaka has to get him and Gold better opportunites to score.

The Sultan

Quote from: Newsdreams on February 18, 2025, 06:36:13 PMShould start a poll on Willie's nickname for Owens next season.

Dumbassious
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

tower912

OK.  But many reports from the scrimmage you reference had Owens playing point.  Other reports from various posters on various boards indicated the same. Clearly, the coaching staff sees potential and opportunity to really have a unicorn player going forward.
I know you are not sold on Tre.  That is OK, I am not sold on Sean.  Which is why I referenced the possibility of Chase, Zaide, Owens all starting.  I am not going to guarantee it, but I can definitely picture it.
In honor of Pope Leo XIV,
Matthew 25: 31-46

Also in honor of Pope Leo,  I have no enemies.  I have brothers and sisters I sometimes disagree with.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Newsdreams on February 18, 2025, 06:36:13 PMShould start a poll on Willie's nickname for Owens next season.

"Rent free"
The Google old days

BCHoopster

Quote from: tower912 on February 18, 2025, 06:44:44 PMOK.  But many reports from the scrimmage you reference had Owens playing point.  Other reports from various posters on various boards indicated the same. Clearly, the coaching staff sees potential and opportunity to really have a unicorn player going forward.
I know you are not sold on Tre.  That is OK, I am not sold on Sean.  Which is why I referenced the possibility of Chase, Zaide, Owens all starting.  I am not going to guarantee it, but I can definitely picture it.

Agreed


MU82

Quote from: BCHoopster on February 18, 2025, 06:38:56 PMHe's been playing him more as a point guard, not sold that's his best position. Taking a 6'8" forward and playing him with the ball in his hands is not easy. I think Owens is more of a slasher, needs to get the ball more in the paint.  Needs to get stronger and gain some weight, that will happen. Shaka has to get him and Gold better opportunites to score.

Again, why do you doubt that Owens can develop and improve under this coaching staff?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

BCHoopster

Quote from: MU82 on February 18, 2025, 07:15:25 PMAgain, why do you doubt that Owens can develop and improve under this coaching staff?

All kids improve from year to year, grandson is rated 2nd best 6 grader in the state, improvement, all the time. Improvement comes from playing 2 to 4 hours everyday, hope Owens feels the same way this summer

MurphysTillClose

Quote from: BCHoopster on February 18, 2025, 07:41:44 PMAll kids improve from year to year, grandson is rated 2nd best 6 grader in the state, improvement, all the time. Improvement comes from playing 2 to 4 hours everyday, hope Owens feels the same way this summer

2nd best 6th grader???????????

The Sultan

Quote from: BCHoopster on February 18, 2025, 07:41:44 PMAll kids improve from year to year, grandson is rated 2nd best 6 grader in the state, improvement, all the time. Improvement comes from playing 2 to 4 hours everyday, hope Owens feels the same way this summer

"2nd best 6th grader in the state"

Oy.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

wadesworld

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2025, 04:52:37 PM6.9 ppg, 4.20 rpg

Quoting so Willie can see and figure this one out.

tower912

Quote from: BCHoopster on February 18, 2025, 07:41:44 PMAll kids improve from year to year, grandson is rated 2nd best 6 grader in the state, improvement, all the time. Improvement comes from playing 2 to 4 hours everyday, hope Owens feels the same way this summer
That is cool.  Enjoy the process.
In honor of Pope Leo XIV,
Matthew 25: 31-46

Also in honor of Pope Leo,  I have no enemies.  I have brothers and sisters I sometimes disagree with.

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