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Marquette vs
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Date/Time: Feb 18, 2025 8:00pm
TV: CBS Sports Net
Schedule for 2024-25
DePaul
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rocky_warrior

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 04, 2025, 08:11:38 PMThe frustration I have is the lack of poise and sometimes leadership.  Because we're way too experienced to make some of these mistakes. The effort is there but we go through these mind-boggling stretches on both ends of the floor.  We need to turn things around, pronto.

I thought Kam might will us to a win for a couple minutes there.  But he's only one man.

muwarrior69

Quote from: Judge Smails on February 04, 2025, 08:10:59 PMThe toughest part of the schedule is almost over. Can't wait for DePaul on Feb 11

So their one player can shoot lights out from 3 like last time.

Warriors, Come Out and Playeeyay

Questions...

1) why are we picking them up, 5 up top, from 35 feet away...when St. John's isn't known for shooting
2) do we run any offensive sets?  The last month is Kam running around and other feet planted at the perimeter
3) does anyone go for offensive rebounds?
4) why is our offense starting 40 feet from the hoop?  I miss Buzz's paint touch philosophy at times
5) what is our strategy with the center position?

Aircraftcarrier

You really think the defense and rebounding is better at the 5 spot this year.I can't help you if that is what you think. Gold has been abused against UCONN and St. John's. They are the two best teams in the league. Not playing Seton Hall and DePaul the last two games. Should have taken a Senior transfer at the 5 while the young big guys develop

Zog from Margo

Kam is a good passer and a great player but not an experienced PG. Teams are attacking his high dribble.

Bench and Ross played well.

Rebounding. Jebus!

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: MUEng92 on February 04, 2025, 08:02:49 PMI thoroughly enjoyed the first half of this season.  Yeah, that's all I can bring myself to say one February 4, 2025

Dumb.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on February 04, 2025, 08:03:06 PMNumber 5 is definitely a positive, I didn't think the effort was there, but the bench was great

You didn't think the effort was there?  What the f*ck were you watching?


muwarrior69

Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 04, 2025, 08:19:05 PMKam is a good passer and a great player but not an experienced PG. Teams are attacking his high dribble.

Bench and Ross played well.

Rebounding. Jebus!

Well the stat guys say we are not that bad.

Jockey

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on February 04, 2025, 08:03:44 PMAll three seniors played poorly.

If the game plan is to shoot threes, then recruit guys who can make threes.

So did the junior.

Until Kam goes back to being a point guard again, we will struggle.

wisblue

Quote from: Judge Smails on February 04, 2025, 08:10:59 PMThe toughest part of the schedule is almost over. Can't wait for DePaul on Feb 11

It's going to be tough to get excited about that game.

Small Orange Soda

Quote from: Jockey on February 04, 2025, 08:22:50 PMSo did the junior.

Until Kam goes back to being a point guard again, we will struggle.

Agreed on Ben. Chase tried though.

Vander Blue Man Group

The more disappointing result was the loss to UConn Saturday. 




GoldenEagles03

We need a true post presence. I think Royce is clearly our best player in that area. Would like to see him get more looks down there.

If it has to come at the expense of Joplin until he wakes up, so be it.
VIOLENCE!

mileskishnish72

The offense is wandering in the desert. Weaving out on top for 20+ seconds, usually followed by an OOC drive.

Rebounding - what's to say? It's always going to be the Achilles' heel of a Shaka team. Until he changes his philosophy, get used to it. This issue will likely be amplified in the Dance.

BOOB plays have been a problem for years. We have one play - toss it to Ben or another big in the left forecourt, usually results in setting it out  up top again - no advantage. Go back and look at the SJU BOOB plays and appredciate the difference.

Defense has been good all year, tonight not so much. The back door was often open.

Whistles were pathetic, as we expected. Last time I looked before taking a cooling-off stroll outside it was 25 FTA's to 9.

All depressing, because in reality this team hasn't played well for 2 - 3 weeks. We'll see what they and Shaka have based on how they go from here. It would be nice to see our seniors go out on a bit of a roll.

Jockey

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on February 04, 2025, 08:26:11 PMAgreed on Ben. Chase tried though.

I agree SOS. Too bad he was the only starter to do so.

MuggsyB

Against an athetic and physical team like St.J you have to be patient.  In the 1st have we saw the most effective way to attack fron ZL and RP.  Excellent vertical drives, solid shot fake, easy buckets off of two feet.

tower912

#41
Quote from: Warriors, Come Out and Playeeyay on February 04, 2025, 08:17:31 PMQuestions...

1) why are we picking them up, 5 up top, from 35 feet away...when St. John's isn't known for shooting
2) do we run any offensive sets?  The last month is Kam running around and other feet planted at the perimeter
3) does anyone go for offensive rebounds?
4) why is our offense starting 40 feet from the hoop?  I miss Buzz's paint touch philosophy at times
5) what is our strategy with the center position?
1. To disrupt and generate turnovers.
2. 5 out motion.  Screens, rolls, ghost screens, same offense as last season, though with pick and pops vs pick and rolls with Oso
3.  Stevie.  Ben. Royce.
4. See 2 and 1.  The defense is picking MU up that far out, just as MU picks up 40 feet out on offense.
5. Stretch 5.  5 out motion. Pick, roll/pop, dribble hand offs.  There will nearly never be a post up.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 04, 2025, 08:27:02 PMThe more disappointing result was the loss to UConn Saturday. 





When you understand this team is overrated, hasn't beaten anyone good, hasn't beaten anyone good enough, doesn't have any Big East players, needs transfers, needs shooters, needs a point guard, needs aircraft carriers, needs to practice a litany of things, needs more mid-range jump shots, needs more NIL money and should probably refuse a post-season bid, you'd see things differently
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tower912

Quote from: wisblue on February 04, 2025, 08:24:17 PMIt's going to be tough to get excited about that game.
Why?  It is a MU game.  Ergo, I am rooting for MU.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

tower912

Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on February 04, 2025, 08:17:47 PMYou really think the defense and rebounding is better at the 5 spot this year.I can't help you if that is what you think. Gold has been abused against UCONN and St. John's. They are the two best teams in the league. Not playing Seton Hall and DePaul the last two games. Should have taken a Senior transfer at the 5 while the young big guys develop
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 04, 2025, 08:21:25 PMWell the stat guys say we are not that bad.
So does the record.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MuggsyB

Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 04, 2025, 08:28:36 PMThe offense is wandering in the desert. Weaving out on top for 20+ seconds, usually followed by an OOC drive.

Rebounding - what's to say? It's always going to be the Achilles' heel of a Shaka team. Until he changes his philosophy, get used to it. This issue will likely be amplified in the Dance.

BOOB plays have been a problem for years. We have one play - toss it to Ben or another big in the left forecourt, usually results in setting it out  up top again - no advantage. Go back and look at the SJU BOOB plays and appredciate the difference.

Defense has been good all year, tonight not so much. The back door was often open.

Whistles were pathetic, as we expected. Last time I looked before taking a cooling-off stroll outside it was 25 FTA's to 9.

All depressing, because in reality this team hasn't played well for 2 - 3 weeks. We'll see what they and Shaka have based on how they go from here. It would be nice to see our seniors go out on a bit of a roll.

These are all fair points.  We have not played well or intelligently.  We have not gotten better in our offensive sets to this point.  Maybe the shooting of ZL and RP today will pay some dividends down the road. 

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 04, 2025, 08:31:05 PMWhen you understand this team is overrated, hasn't beaten anyone good, hasn't beaten anyone good enough, doesn't have any Big East players, needs transfers, needs shooters, needs a point guard, needs aircraft carriers, needs to practice a litany of things, needs more mid-range jump shots, needs more NIL money and should probably refuse a post-season bid, you'd see things differently

Thank you for helping me see the light.  We suck, the season is over, and all hope is gone. 

wisblue

#47
Quote from: tower912 on February 04, 2025, 08:31:11 PMWhy?  It is a MU game.  Ergo, I am rooting for MU.

Did I say I wasn't rooting for MU?

But, after having to reset hopes for the season, that becomes a game that will be needed just to avoid disaster.

We do have a definitive answer to the question I raised in December that you turned into a thread of its own.

tower912

My expectations were 24-25 regular season wins, second weekend.  I have seen nothing that changes them.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

ATL MU Warrior

Quote from: wisblue on February 04, 2025, 08:24:17 PMIt's going to be tough to get excited about that game.
Why?  We have an excellent chance to maybe win that game.

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