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Uncle Rico

Quote from: Newsdreams on January 29, 2025, 03:18:21 PMGoing right now before heading to dangerous Milwaukee tomorrow

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wadesworld

Quote from: MuggsyB on January 29, 2025, 03:58:31 PMHere's what I'll say about both of them:   They possess very solid blow by speed and overall athleticism.  Especially with their 1st step hard right.  They are also quite strong and can laterally get the job done defensively.  Now, we mentioned their shooting and inconsistency, but I reality think we're seeing glimpses of them figuring it out. 

Once the rudimentary playmaking improves, as well as decision making in general, they're going to be highly productive multi-tool players imo.   And don't forget JTY will be back.  It's extremely important to remember Scoopers that zoomability isn't taught.  You either have it or you don't.  Granted, I wish we had a deadeye shooter in the pipeline sort of in the mold of a 6'6 Rowsey, but I suppose I'm thinking too far ahead.  Regardless, having these types of guards bodes well for our future once their get more comfortable with the aforementioned points (no pun intended) made here. 

Don't diminish our diminutive humans, Muggsy.

JakeBarnes

Quote from: MuggsyB on January 29, 2025, 03:58:31 PMHere's what I'll say about both of them:   They possess very solid blow by speed and overall athleticism.  Especially with their 1st step hard right.  They are also quite strong and can laterally get the job done defensively.  Now, we mentioned their shooting and inconsistency, but I reality think we're seeing glimpses of them figuring it out. 

Once the rudimentary playmaking improves, as well as decision making in general, they're going to be highly productive multi-tool players imo.   And don't forget JTY will be back.  It's extremely important to remember Scoopers that zoomability isn't taught.  You either have it or you don't.  Granted, I wish we had a deadeye shooter in the pipeline sort of in the mold of a 6'6 Rowsey, but I suppose I'm thinking too far ahead.  Regardless, having these types of guards bodes well for our future once their get more comfortable with the aforementioned points (no pun intended) made here. 

Think you're gonna really like Ian Miletic and eventually Michael Phillips II.
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StillAWarrior

Quote from: tower912 on January 29, 2025, 02:08:05 PMTrust Shaka's recruiting.  Trust development. Trust the process.  I doubt Tre or Zaide become all Americans.  But I trust they can be starters next season.

Honest question, would you have thought sophomore-year Kam would be an AA and in the talk for NPOY? I wouldn't.

The recruiting is great, but I always expected that Shaka would recruit well with Marquette's resources. But the development? The development has far exceeded my wildest expectations. O-Max, Kolek, and Oso in the NBA? Are you kidding me?! Kolek is BEPOY one year, unanimous First Team All-BE the next, and two-time AA? Oso as Second Team All-BE? The accolades Kam is all but certain to receive at the end of this year and what Stevie has become? The development is outstanding. Shaka and his staff have done exceptionally well developing players. I can't wait to see what Trey, Zaide, Royce, and Owens will become in the next couple years. Honestly, it's kind of hard to make predictions for MU from year to year because players are developing so well.
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Quote from: bilsu on January 29, 2025, 04:01:05 PMLowery should play more than he does.

I trust the coaches to play the players who have earned the time.

Lowery's development and playing time this year have been slowed by his knee injury and recent illness.

MuggsyB

Quote from: wadesworld on January 29, 2025, 04:08:01 PMDon't diminish our diminutive humans, Muggsy.

I haven't.  Basketball unfortunately caters to larger human beings.   The fact that Muggsy played 15 years in the NBA at 5'3 is among the greatest sports accomplishments in history. 

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Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2025, 04:06:04 PMGod Speed
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DoctorV

Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 29, 2025, 04:13:34 PMHonest question, would you have thought sophomore-year Kam would be an AA and in the talk for NPOY? I wouldn't.

The recruiting is great, but I always expected that Shaka would recruit well with Marquette's resources. But the development? The development has far exceeded my wildest expectations. O-Max, Kolek, and Oso in the NBA? Are you kidding me?! Kolek is BEPOY one year, unanimous First Team All-BE the next, and two-time AA? Oso as Second Team All-BE? The accolades Kam is all but certain to receive at the end of this year and what Stevie has become? The development is outstanding. Shaka and his staff have done exceptionally well developing players. I can't wait to see what Trey, Zaide, Royce, and Owens will become in the next couple years. Honestly, it's kind of hard to make predictions for MU from year to year because players are developing so well.

Not disagreeing with the development aspect, it's been elite.

However, it was very obvious fairly quickly that both Kam Jones and Tyler Kolek would be very special players at Marquette.

They both developed skills- eg Tylers outside shot, Kams passing ability- but they both came in with an elite ability.
Kam was always a bucket and Tyler always had amazing vision and incredible ability to pass the ball and read the court.

As a current day example- it wouldn't surprise anyone if Damarius became a very special all around player and an All BE type of player if he develops at Marquette. In the same token, it wouldn't surprise many if Parham is one of the teams leading scorers.
Kid has a quick trigger, and loves to hoist it up- ala Jop before he became so well rounded this season.

I'm not saying it's impossible for Tre and many of the others to develop into All BE type of players, I'm merely saying that development happens yearly, but elite special ability is often evident early on

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: bilsu on January 29, 2025, 04:01:05 PMLowery should play more than he does.

Zaide is currently second to last of the active scholarship players in net efficiency. He's way ahead of Hamilton, slightly behind Owens, a good deal behind Tre, a huge gap between him and Royce. There's a reason his minutes have been what they have been.

All that being said, he has been on a tear in the last few games. No one has made up more ground than him as of late. The potential is definitely there and I hope he keeps on this trajectory. He's got a bright future here.
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Quote from: Newsdreams on January 29, 2025, 03:18:21 PMGoing right now before heading to dangerous Milwaukee tomorrow
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MU82

Quote from: DoctorV on January 29, 2025, 10:42:52 PMNot disagreeing with the development aspect, it's been elite.

However, it was very obvious fairly quickly that both Kam Jones and Tyler Kolek would be very special players at Marquette.

They both developed skills- eg Tylers outside shot, Kams passing ability- but they both came in with an elite ability.
Kam was always a bucket and Tyler always had amazing vision and incredible ability to pass the ball and read the court.

As a current day example- it wouldn't surprise anyone if Damarius became a very special all around player and an All BE type of player if he develops at Marquette. In the same token, it wouldn't surprise many if Parham is one of the teams leading scorers.
Kid has a quick trigger, and loves to hoist it up- ala Jop before he became so well rounded this season.

I'm not saying it's impossible for Tre and many of the others to develop into All BE type of players, I'm merely saying that development happens yearly, but elite special ability is often evident early on
Quote from: DoctorV on January 29, 2025, 10:42:52 PMNot disagreeing with the development aspect, it's been elite.

However, it was very obvious fairly quickly that both Kam Jones and Tyler Kolek would be very special players at Marquette.

They both developed skills- eg Tylers outside shot, Kams passing ability- but they both came in with an elite ability.
Kam was always a bucket and Tyler always had amazing vision and incredible ability to pass the ball and read the court.

As a current day example- it wouldn't surprise anyone if Damarius became a very special all around player and an All BE type of player if he develops at Marquette. In the same token, it wouldn't surprise many if Parham is one of the teams leading scorers.
Kid has a quick trigger, and loves to hoist it up- ala Jop before he became so well rounded this season.

I'm not saying it's impossible for Tre and many of the others to develop into All BE type of players, I'm merely saying that development happens yearly, but elite special ability is often evident early on

As a sophomore, Kolek couldn't shoot and couldn't go right. It looked like he'd have trouble scoring enough to keep defenses honest, and there were plenty who doubted he'd be "special."

You didn't mention Oso, a role player as a sophomore who barely hinted at the kind of special player he'd become.

Nor did you mention Stevie, who was considered a major offensive liability; many Scoopers begged for him to lose his starting job, and one even said he "hated" Stevie.

Hopefully, some of our younger players will work as hard as TK, Oso and Stevie did to become great Warriors.
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I compared Kolek to Brunson after the Illinois game during his first season at MU.  As far as his shooting, he could shoot well off the catch, not off the dribble.  Predict that he would be a two time all American?  No.
Kam? We all saw flashes all along.  First, he had to learn what a good shot was, like our freshmen this season.  But it was clear the shot was there.  Then we saw the ability to finish at the basket, after catching with an angle to the basket.  There were some really sweet pick and roll action from the wing with Oso after receiving passes.  Finally, we saw last season how much he had developed when TKo went down.
  So, I predicted he and Stevie would share ballhandling responsibilities (thought Stevie might get a little more run), predicted what the starting line up would be this season a year ago, agreed with the preseason predictions that had MU in the mid-teens, and predicted 24-25 regular season wins.
I did not think in terms of Kam being an all American.  I thought he would be a different type of point guard on a pretty good team.
I look at Ben, who had zero experience playing against American bigs, or high level talent from anywhere.  2.7 seasons later, he is absolutely a Big East center.  The only thing holding him back is self belief.   
I absolutely believe in the growth part of the pillar.   The staff has done a marvelous job of that.
 

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It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

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Quote from: MU82 on January 29, 2025, 11:46:08 PMAs a sophomore, Kolek couldn't shoot and couldn't go right. It looked like he'd have trouble scoring enough to keep defenses honest, and there were plenty who doubted he'd be "special."

You didn't mention Oso, a role player as a sophomore who barely hinted at the kind of special player he'd become.

Nor did you mention Stevie, who was considered a major offensive liability; many Scoopers begged for him to lose his starting job, and one even said he "hated" Stevie.

Hopefully, some of our younger players will work as hard as TK, Oso and Stevie did to become great Warriors.

That's crazy because Stevie in high school scored over 2,000 points and was over 25/game his senior year and had been over 20/game his junior and soph years.

The Sultan

There were people THIS OFFSEASON who predicted Stevie would lose his starting job. The collective basketball IQ of Scoop is often pretty low. Just remember that as you wander into the game threads.
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Quote from: The Sultan on January 30, 2025, 06:48:54 AMThere were people THIS OFFSEASON who predicted Stevie would lose his starting job. The collective basketball IQ of Scoop is often pretty low. Just remember that as you wander into the game threads.

Well, you think this year is fun and this team is good and are enjoying the season. 

And you want to talk about basketball IQ
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tower912

Hot takes are fun.  They make scoop go round.  If I ran things, there would be a rule that if a hot take was ultimately blown up, the poster of the original hot take would have to come back and (A) admit they were wrong and why, (B) defend it and explain why everyone else was wrong, and most importantly (C) explain their process that led to the spectacularly wrong hot take.
  For example, I thought Itejere could be productive at MU.  I was clearly wrong.  My thought process was that he was long and athletic and I thought the coaching staff could work their voodoo and he could end up another Oso. 

Having people explain why they stayed off the Tko train so long, or why they thought Parham, Hamilton, and Owens should start over Gold, Joplin, and Stevie would be educational.  It might even help us be less confrontational.  Finally, admitting you were wrong once in a while is good for the soul.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

DoctorV

Thing is, you'd have to actually be wrong to ever be able to admit to being wrong...

Most of us on scoop are perpetually right, amirite?

Hards Alumni

Quote from: tower912 on January 30, 2025, 07:12:06 AMHot takes are fun.  They make scoop go round.  If I ran things, there would be a rule that if a hot take was ultimately blown up, the poster of the original hot take would have to come back and (A) admit they were wrong and why, (B) defend it and explain why everyone else was wrong, and most importantly (C) explain their process that led to the spectacularly wrong hot take.
  For example, I thought Itejere could be productive at MU.  I was clearly wrong.  My thought process was that he was long and athletic and I thought the coaching staff could work their voodoo and he could end up another Oso. 

Having people explain why they stayed off the Tko train so long, or why they thought Parham, Hamilton, and Owens should start over Gold, Joplin, and Stevie would be educational.  It might even help us be less confrontational.  Finally, admitting you were wrong once in a while is good for the soul.

Hot takes belong in everyone's signature.

tower912

Quote from: DoctorV on January 30, 2025, 07:16:06 AMThing is, you'd have to actually be wrong to ever be able to admit to being wrong...

Most of us on scoop are perpetually right, amirite?
Another hot take gone horribly awry.
 ;D
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Elonsmusk

Been a big Zaide fan since Day 1.  Honestly thought he'd break out more than he has this season.  Was really surprised by his early season struggles. Just think his confidence was shook a bit from the early game shooting struggles - some of which were way off target - nerves?

His shot form and arc have been great since Day 1, and he clearly is a fluid athlete with quick feet.  Was great to see him take Telfort off the bounce and score on him at the bucket.  I'm expecting Zaide to continue to ascend and be a strong contributor for us down the stretch.

As for Tre, his offensive game largely will be bully ball, using his bigger frame to score at the basket.  1 more year of strength and conditioning and I think we will see more of his scoring ability at the basket on display.  He can be a + defender.  He's not really a PG so to judge him through the lens of a PG isn't fair.  The jump shot needs a lot of work - would be great if they could re-work his shot a little as they did Kolek's between sophomore and junior year to get more arc.

Jockey

Quote from: tower912 on January 30, 2025, 07:38:57 AMAnother hot take gone horribly awry.
 ;D

You've already admitted your wrongness. I think we can all justifiably ignore the rest of your comments.

tower912

Quote from: Jockey on January 30, 2025, 09:08:46 AMYou've already admitted your wrongness. I think we can all justifiably ignore the rest of your comments.
Man, I hope so.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

THRILLHO

Quote from: DoctorV on January 30, 2025, 07:16:06 AMThing is, you'd have to actually be wrong to ever be able to admit to being wrong...

Most of us on scoop are perpetually right, amirite?
When it comes to hot take accuracy this place is like the pleasantville men's basketball team.

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