Not a great day for Luigi

[BM1090]

Painkiller on Netflix is also an excellent look into not just the Sackler family but the industry as a whole, especially the use of young, good-looking people as pharmaceutical reps. My dad was a physician and many of the males who were drug reps were former D1 college athletes.

Empire of Pain is an excellent read.

[Warriors4ever]

I once represented a guy on a murder case where the only eyewitness could not id him despite the fact that he was an albino black guy with freckles. He was caught because he left his bond slip from another case and his birth certificate at the scene. Of course he wasn't valedictorian of his exclusive private high school either, but still...
Leoold and Loeb were caught because one of them dropped their prescription glasses with an unusual hinge at Wolf Lake. And they were brilliant students.
Even the smartest, most prepared, people usually overlook something.

[tower912]

To me, his written statement reads like he did not intend to be taken alive.

[The Sultan]

He was expecting to be found and taken either dead or alive. Obviously so. Because his goal was to make a point and serve as a symbol for his problems.

There really isn't much of a point otherwise.

[warriorchick]

The conspiracy theories on social media are...something.

[tower912]

They always are.

[Billy Hoyle]

Empire of Pain is an excellent read.

thanks. Sounds like a good read for the days off I have at the end of the month.

[MuggsyB]

His family is only worth 55-60 million, so I can see why he was bitter about not having coverage for back surgery.

[Lennys Tap]

I once represented a guy on a murder case where the only eyewitness could not id him despite the fact that he was an albino black guy with freckles. He was caught because he left his bond slip from another case and his birth certificate at the scene. Of course he wasn't valedictorian of his exclusive private high school either, but still...
Leoold and Loeb were caught because one of them dropped their prescription glasses with an unusual hinge at Wolf Lake. And they were brilliant students.
Even the smartest, most prepared, people usually overlook something.

Exactly. Assuming that murderers or other criminals do stupid things that lead to their capture because they want to get caught is asinine. If this kid's goal was to be caught why was he 270 miles from the scene of the crime wearing a mask in a McDonald's? Was he afraid of Covid? And if his goal was to be killed why didn't he pull his gun when approached by police? I'm sure they would have obliged him. Want to get caught? Drop your gun and remain at the scene. Want to get killed? Don't drop your gun and remain at the scene. Not rocket science for such a "brilliant" young man.

[Its DJOver]

What maximizes coverage.  If you're caught right away, you get the ~weeks worth of coverage because the murder and apprehension overlap. If you disappear forever the murder gets the ~weeks worth of coverage. If you're caught after a week the murder gets it ~week coverage, the apprehension gets its ~weeks coverage, and you get the additional publicity when they release details about your background or there's a new mugshot, or a trial date is set, which wouldn't be the case if you were killed. It seems clear that he wanted to have the spotlight on him/United for as long as possible. This seems to accomplish that. 

[Lennys Tap]

He was expecting to be found and taken either dead or alive. Obviously so. Because his goal was to make a point and serve as a symbol for his problems.

There really isn't much of a point otherwise.

The only point made by shooting an unarmed complete stranger in the back is that you're a POS murderer. That people are paying attention to the shooter's opinions on the healthcare system or turning him into some sort of heroic figure is even more troubling than the cold blooded murder.

[warriorchick]

They always are.

ThE eYebrOws doN't mATcH!

[The Sultan]

The only point made by shooting an unarmed complete stranger in the back is that you're a POS murderer. That people are paying attention to the shooter's opinions on the healthcare system or turning him into some sort of heroic figure is even more troubling than the cold blooded murder.

Eh. We have a long history as a country of idolizing those who have used violence to push agendas - John Dillinger, Bernie Goetz, the Jehovah's Witness riots, etc. etc. etc. This is nothing new, and it will happen again.

[Billy Hoyle]

The only point made by shooting an unarmed complete stranger in the back is that you're a POS murderer. That people are paying attention to the shooter's opinions on the healthcare system or turning him into some sort of heroic figure is even more troubling than the cold blooded murder.

This, 100%. I saw a Twitter post with a guy showing a pic of his new tattoo of bullets with the words the dude wrote on the shells he shot the CEO with. WTF?

[Uncle Rico]

I think we can all agree, that's it is very important oligarchs of America get extra security moving forward.  Their contributions to America have been immeasurable

[4everwarriors]

The schmuck is nuts and I'm sure the best defense attorney money can buy will argue that in court. Oh, and the overprescribed pain meds made him do it, hey?

[MU82]

His name sounds like sommething that would be made up by within an SNL skit.

"Yeah, I have a boyfriend. He's Italian. His name is ... um ... uh ... Luigi! Luigi Mangione!"

[Lennys Tap]

This, 100%. I saw a Twitter post with a guy showing a pic of his new tattoo of bullets with the words the dude wrote on the shells he shot the CEO with. WTF?

We have DAs prosecuting and citizen's demanding the head of Good Samaritan heroes and citizens praising or making excuses for a cold blooded cowardly murderer. Sad.

[Uncle Rico]

The schmuck is nuts and I'm sure the best defense attorney money can buy will argue that in court. Oh, and the overprescribed pain meds made him do it, hey?

American healthcare will make a lot of people nuts.  Time to eat the rich.

Power to the people, not the oligarchs, hey?

[tower912]

Yes, Lenny, social media is a cesspool of dumb.  A race to the bottom with racism, misogyny, and conspiracy theories drowning out facts. 

Murder is wrong.  Vigilante justice is wrong.  Using guns to inflict your anger and rage on others is a stain on America.  Lock him up.

[wadesworld]

What maximizes coverage.  If you're caught right away, you get the ~weeks worth of coverage because the murder and apprehension overlap. If you disappear forever the murder gets the ~weeks worth of coverage. If you're caught after a week the murder gets it ~week coverage, the apprehension gets its ~weeks coverage, and you get the additional publicity when they release details about your background or there's a new mugshot, or a trial date is set, which wouldn't be the case if you were killed. It seems clear that he wanted to have the spotlight on him/United for as long as possible. This seems to accomplish that.

Bingo.  It's not hard to understand.  Muggsy stated he thinks the guy expected to get away with it.  Why is he carrying a manifesto with him 5 days after the  murder if he doesn't think he'll be caught?

Why did he flee?  Because he wants the attention on his "message."  His "message" is in the news cycle for one day if he stays at the scene and surrenders to police.  If there's an international manhunt to find him?  Yeah, a lot more publicity for a lot longer time.

But yes, I'm sure a guy who thought he was going to get away with murder wrote a manifesto and kept it with him, along with the murder weapon, the silencer, and fake IDs used to get lodging near the scene.  And I'm the one taking the loss. 

[rocky_warrior]

We have DAs prosecuting and citizen's demanding the head of Good Samaritan heroes and citizens praising or making excuses for a cold blooded cowardly murderer. Sad.

Wait, are you and Billy really projecting a Twitter post to represent society?  hah

[The Sultan]

Bingo.  It's not hard to understand.  Muggsy stated he thinks the guy expected to get away with it.  Why is he carrying a manifesto with him 5 days after the  murder if he doesn't think he'll be caught?

Why did he flee?  Because he wants the attention on his "message."  His "message" is in the news cycle for one day if he stays at the scene and surrenders to police.  If there's an international manhunt to find him?  Yeah, a lot more publicity for a lot longer time.

But yes, I'm sure a guy who thought he was going to get away with murder wrote a manifesto and kept it with him, along with the murder weapon, the silencer, and fake IDs used to get lodging near the scene.  And I'm the one taking the loss. 

Right. I'm sure his goal was to generate attention for the manhunt like Bonnie and Clyde or Eric Rudolph...all of whom killed people in pursuit of their version of justice.

But he flirted with a girl at a coffee shop and it didn't last as long as he would have liked. Tale as old as time.

[#UnleashSean]

The only point made by shooting an unarmed complete stranger in the back is that you're a POS murderer. That people are paying attention to the shooter's opinions on the healthcare system or turning him into some sort of heroic figure is even more troubling than the cold blooded murder.

It's really not a cold blooded murder. Luigi (and plenty of other people) truly believe these ceos are evil.

[Billy Hoyle]

Wait, are you and Billy really projecting a Twitter post to represent society?  hah

No, I'm using it as an example of people who are making the guy out to be a hero and going to extreme levels in doing it. Though it does reflect a segment of society.