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wadesworld

Figured I'd start this since there are likely to be two programs that have won national titles in the last decade open going into next season. Who do Villanova and Virginia target?

Both should try to throw a bag at Otzleberger, but I don't see him leaving for either of those jobs.

I think it's too soon for Ben McCollum to get either of those jobs, but I'm a believer. Wins everywhere he goes. If DePaul had waited another year for a change, he'd be at the top of my list if I were them. Bart Lundy falls into this category too.

Will be interested to see if a bigger job gives Will Wade a shot this offseason.

Joe Pasternack could get a high major job soon. If Colorado State has another good season Medved should take the jump to a high major.

PGsHeroes32

Yeah I doubt Otz takes either of those jobs but he def should be a top call.

Can added Minnesota to the vacancy list, but for the purpose of this they don't have the same appeal as Nova/Virginia
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I'm probably reading too much into it, but the last time Villanova hired a Hofstra coach it worked out pretty well for them. Speedy Claxton has had Hoftra as one of the top mid majors for the last few years.
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I have no idea where UVA goes.  Short of Sanchez making some crazy run to the FF or something, it would be insane for them to keep him.  I wonder if Ryan Odom doesn't get a serious look if he has a good year at VCU.

Quote from: wadesworld on November 25, 2024, 08:51:18 PMI think it's too soon for Ben McCollum to get either of those jobs, but I'm a believer. Wins everywhere he goes. If DePaul had waited another year for a change, he'd be at the top of my list if I were them. Bart Lundy falls into this category too.

Will be interested to see if a bigger job gives Will Wade a shot this offseason.

Joe Pasternack could get a high major job soon. If Colorado State has another good season Medved should take the jump to a high major.

I mean, Ben McCollum has coached at 1 place for 15 years and now has coached 6 games at Drake, I don't know if "wins everywhere he goes" is valid yet.  They started nice but they beat a middle of the pack NIT bound Miami team and a Vandy team picked dead last in the SEC.

Gotta think Pasternak is biding his time waiting for a particular West Coast adjacent gig.  I would think Medved would be at the top of the list for Minnesota when they can Ben Johnson this year.

Will Wade is gonna get hired this offseason, IMO.  I don't think any interesting SEC or ACC jobs will be open for him (though VT would make sense and I doubt Mike Young is long for there). Honestly, USF may be a interesting spot for him.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

There is no reason for Otz to leave. He has it rolling there and ISU can pay him plenty.

While Claxton would be a good choice, I think Villanova is going to do something dumb and replace Neptune with Baker Dunleavy or something like that.

Virginia...I have no idea. Odom is as good a choice as any. I would think if he were younger, they may have gone for Ritchie McKay.

As for Will Wade, maybe Florida if they get rid of Golden?
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 26, 2024, 08:03:24 AMThere is no reason for Otz to leave. He has it rolling there and ISU can pay him plenty.

While Claxton would be a good choice, I think Villanova is going to do something dumb and replace Neptune with Baker Dunleavy or something like that.

Virginia...I have no idea. Odom is as good a choice as any. I would think if he were younger, they may have gone for Ritchie McKay.

As for Will Wade, maybe Florida if they get rid of Golden?

TJO has a lot of history at Iowa State, as does the wife, fwiw.  He might be our choice after Shaka takes the Virginia job, though.
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The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2024, 08:24:24 AMTJO has a lot of history at Iowa State, as does the wife, fwiw.  He might be our choice after Shaka takes the Virginia job, though.

We can't afford Wardle? smh...
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 26, 2024, 08:33:01 AMWe can't afford Wardle? smh...

He's the dream hire but he'll be a hot commodity
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The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2024, 08:45:41 AMHe's the dream hire but he'll be a hot commodity

Especially now that he coached Bradley to a championship in the Myrtle Beach Invitational. Wins over Texas State, Wright State and Middle Tennessee are a pretty impressive resume.
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Lennys Tap

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 26, 2024, 08:03:24 AMThere is no reason for Otz to leave. He has it rolling there and ISU can pay him plenty.

While Claxton would be a good choice, I think Villanova is going to do something dumb and replace Neptune with Baker Dunleavy or something like that.

Virginia...I have no idea. Odom is as good a choice as any. I would think if he were younger, they may have gone for Ritchie McKay.

As for Will Wade, maybe Florida if they get rid of Golden?

Why do you think Villanova is going to do something dumb?

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 26, 2024, 08:51:09 AMWhy do you think Villanova is going to do something dumb?

Because I think they are going to still be swayed by Jay Wright and his coaching tree.

Although he did coach Claxton at Hofstra...
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Billy Hoyle

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 25, 2024, 09:09:19 PMYeah I doubt Otz takes either of those jobs but he def should be a top call.

Can added Minnesota to the vacancy list, but for the purpose of this they don't have the same appeal as Nova/Virginia

Otz will be the top candidate at Michigan State when Izzo hangs it up sooner than later.
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JWags85

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 26, 2024, 08:03:24 AMWhile Claxton would be a good choice, I think Villanova is going to do something dumb and replace Neptune with Baker Dunleavy or something like that.

Virginia...I have no idea. Odom is as good a choice as any. I would think if he were younger, they may have gone for Ritchie McKay.

As for Will Wade, maybe Florida if they get rid of Golden?

Crazy that Nova wouldn't be a premier spot so quickly, shows how rough of a choice Neptune was.  Claxton is a pretty good coach, but he took over an NCAA team and has basically just been fine.  1 NIT berth and a couple top 3 finishes isn't anything special when his predecessor won back to back conference titles before stepping down.  Not bad, but not what you'd think for one of the top 3 programs of the last decade.

If Florida didn't immediately can Golden, I don't think they will now, especially when he's probably gonna be NCAA bound with a top 6 seed.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: JWags85 on November 26, 2024, 10:06:28 AMCrazy that Nova wouldn't be a premier spot so quickly, shows how rough of a choice Neptune was.  Claxton is a pretty good coach, but he took over an NCAA team and has basically just been fine.  1 NIT berth and a couple top 3 finishes isn't anything special when his predecessor won back to back conference titles before stepping down.  Not bad, but not what you'd think for one of the top 3 programs of the last decade.

If Florida didn't immediately can Golden, I don't think they will now, especially when he's probably gonna be NCAA bound with a top 6 seed.

My guess is that they would like to see the Title IX investigation play itself so they can fire with cause.
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MU82

Ten years ago, just about every high major with an opening was interested in Shaka - the young, dynamic coach who already was very successful at the next level down. Who are this year's Shaka Smarts?
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Coleman

Nova is cooked. They had one shot to replace Wright with a top tier coach while they were the king of the hill. Neptune has managed to completely take the shine off the program in a few short years. They may get someone decent who will get them back to a tourney team eventually, but they really blew the hire to replace Wright and stay in the top tier of CBB. 

MU82

Quote from: Coleman on November 26, 2024, 11:54:16 AMNova is cooked. They had one shot to replace Wright with a top tier coach while they were the king of the hill. Neptune has managed to completely take the shine off the program in a few short years. They may get someone decent who will get them back to a tourney team eventually, but they really blew the hire to replace Wright and stay in the top tier of CBB. 

This is kind of what I was talking about a few years ago when I wondered out loud, "Why can't Marquette become the next Nova?"

Things are fluid in sports. We had the financial backing, the facilities, the administrative support, the fanbase, the long history. We just had to find our Jay Wright ... and hopefully we have in Shaka.

Totally agree with what you're saying about how Nova messed up. It looks like they're on a path to becoming the next Butler.
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Scoop Snoop

Quote from: Coleman on November 26, 2024, 11:54:16 AMNova is cooked. They had one shot to replace Wright with a top tier coach while they were the king of the hill. Neptune has managed to completely take the shine off the program in a few short years. They may get someone decent who will get them back to a tourney team eventually, but they really blew the hire to replace Wright and stay in the top tier of CBB. 

I get what you are saying, but Marquette managed to find an A+ coach to replace Wojo. With Nova' history and the program's recent past, I disagree that they are "cooked". I also think it is easier for a new coach to come in a couple of years later after a coach like Wright. Rather than comparing him constantly to Wright from the very beginning, the fans would give the new coach a little time to show what he can do.
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MU82

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 26, 2024, 12:05:29 PMI get what you are saying, but Marquette managed to find an A+ coach to replace Wojo. With Nova' history and the program's recent past, I disagree that they are "cooked". I also think it is easier for a new coach to come in a couple of years later after a coach like Wright. Rather than comparing him constantly to Wright from the very beginning, the fans would give the new coach a little time to show what he can do.

Good point, and I hope that's the case with Nova. The Big East is better when they're relevant IMHO.
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The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: Coleman on November 26, 2024, 11:54:16 AMNova is cooked. They had one shot to replace Wright with a top tier coach while they were the king of the hill. Neptune has managed to completely take the shine off the program in a few short years. They may get someone decent who will get them back to a tourney team eventually, but they really blew the hire to replace Wright and stay in the top tier of CBB. 

I don't agree with this at all. Good programs attract good coaches. I don't think Villanova is materially much different now than it was two years ago. If anything the expectations will be lowered.
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PJDunn

Neptune is a sober version of Hank Raymonds. Their slide has just begun.

TallTitan34

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 26, 2024, 12:05:29 PMRather than comparing him constantly to Wright from the very beginning, the fans would give the new coach a little time to show what he can do.

Remember when Shaka beat the #10 team in the country in his third game here. 

That was pretty awesome.

mug644

In line with PJDunn's comment, I thought about MU reading
Quote from: Coleman on November 26, 2024, 11:54:16 AMNova is cooked. They had one shot to replace Wright with a top tier coach while they were the king of the hill. Neptune has managed to completely take the shine off the program in a few short years. They may get someone decent who will get them back to a tourney team eventually, but they really blew the hire to replace Wright and stay in the top tier of CBB. 

Times were different, and staying with the team and loyalty by going with Raymonds and then Majerus were understandable, but Dukiet was our Neptune. What was left of the shine faded quickly. While it has taken many years to get back to where were want (well the championship has yet to come back to Milwaukee), the new achievement of being top 10 in 3 consecutive years, shows that it is possible. Following the footsteps of a legend like Wright is so difficult, and starting with someone like Neptune doesn't help. But, we shouldn't believe that Nova is forever in the wilderness.

brewcity77

Quote from: MU82 on November 26, 2024, 11:50:58 AMTen years ago, just about every high major with an opening was interested in Shaka - the young, dynamic coach who already was very successful at the next level down. Who are this year's Shaka Smarts?

We'll hear Josh Schertz at St Louis (Indiana St last year), Ryan Odom at VCU, and Ben McCollum seems like he could rise fast.

Personally, what impressed me about Smart at VCU was not the Final Four, it was keeping VCU at that kind of level for years after. I'm skeptical of hires that build their rep off a mid-major tourney and 1-3 wins in March. I prefer coaches that elevate a program to levels their program haven't previously been at and sustain it. Self, Beard, Sampson, Few all did that.

If not for his tragic death, I'd have Amir Abdur-Rahim high on that list. Instead the guy I think should be at the fore is Bob Richey at Furman. Only one NCAA appearance (and win) but he took what Niko Medved did and brought them higher. And he's kept them there for years. He deserves that next step up.
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Quote from: JWags85 on November 26, 2024, 10:06:28 AMCrazy that Nova wouldn't be a premier spot so quickly, shows how rough of a choice Neptune was.  Claxton is a pretty good coach, but he took over an NCAA team and has basically just been fine.  1 NIT berth and a couple top 3 finishes isn't anything special when his predecessor won back to back conference titles before stepping down.  Not bad, but not what you'd think for one of the top 3 programs of the last decade.

If Florida didn't immediately can Golden, I don't think they will now, especially when he's probably gonna be NCAA bound with a top 6 seed.

Nova will be fine assuming they move on after this season. UNC made a bad inside the family hire in Doherty and rectified things quickly with the Roy Williams hire. They have the money and resources to stay elite. Sometimes staying within the family doesn't work out when the talent pool is so shallow; look at Syracuse with Autry and Butler hiring Jordan. More proof of the saying that you don't want to be the man who follows the man.
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wadesworld

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 27, 2024, 08:28:10 AMNova will be fine assuming they move on after this season. UNC made a bad inside the family hire in Doherty and rectified things quickly with the Roy Williams hire. They have the money and resources to stay elite. Sometimes staying within the family doesn't work out when the talent pool is so shallow; look at Syracuse with Autry and Butler hiring Jordan. More proof of the saying that you don't want to be the man who follows the man.

What Villanova grad is coaching at a blue blood and making Final Fours?

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: wadesworld on November 27, 2024, 10:30:06 AMWhat Villanova grad is coaching at a blue blood and making Final Fours?

I used Roy as an example of a blue blood moving on quickly from a hire that backfired and hurt the program (Doherty was a spectacular failure at UNC), regardless of whether UNC stayed "within the family." It doesn't have to be a grad, Roy just happened to be in the example I used. Shaka and Crean at MU are similar examples of programs recognizing the trajectory they were on and reversing that direction by cutting bait.
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MU82

Quote from: brewcity77 on November 27, 2024, 08:20:07 AMWe'll hear Josh Schertz at St Louis (Indiana St last year), Ryan Odom at VCU, and Ben McCollum seems like he could rise fast.

Personally, what impressed me about Smart at VCU was not the Final Four, it was keeping VCU at that kind of level for years after. I'm skeptical of hires that build their rep off a mid-major tourney and 1-3 wins in March. I prefer coaches that elevate a program to levels their program haven't previously been at and sustain it. Self, Beard, Sampson, Few all did that.

If not for his tragic death, I'd have Amir Abdur-Rahim high on that list. Instead the guy I think should be at the fore is Bob Richey at Furman. Only one NCAA appearance (and win) but he took what Niko Medved did and brought them higher. And he's kept them there for years. He deserves that next step up.

This is a really good post, brew, and I appreciate you mentioning some names on the rise.

Agree 100% about Shaka keeping VCU as a relevant A-10 program even after the FF run. That matters.
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Coleman

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 27, 2024, 08:28:10 AMNova will be fine assuming they move on after this season. UNC made a bad inside the family hire in Doherty and rectified things quickly with the Roy Williams hire. They have the money and resources to stay elite. Sometimes staying within the family doesn't work out when the talent pool is so shallow; look at Syracuse with Autry and Butler hiring Jordan. More proof of the saying that you don't want to be the man who follows the man.

Nova is not UNC.


And I am not saying Nova will never return to respectability. They will.

What I am saying is they had a chance to climb into the very upper echelon of college basketball. I think that window has now closed.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: Coleman on November 27, 2024, 12:11:44 PMNova is not UNC.


And I am not saying Nova will never return to respectability. They will.

What I am saying is they had a chance to climb into the very upper echelon of college basketball. I think that window has now closed.

Who do you think that job would have attracted?
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Scoop Snoop

Quote from: Coleman on November 27, 2024, 12:11:44 PMNova is not UNC.


And I am not saying Nova will never return to respectability. They will.

What I am saying is they had a chance to climb into the very upper echelon of college basketball. I think that window has now closed.

So Nova is not a blueblood. But NC's 2017 natty was sandwiched between Nova's 2016 and 2018 nattys. I really do not get the "window is closed". It will reopen just as soon as Neptune is handed a couple of cardboard boxes.   
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PGsHeroes32

Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

Uncle Rico

Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: Coleman on November 27, 2024, 12:11:44 PMNova is not UNC.


And I am not saying Nova will never return to respectability. They will.

What I am saying is they had a chance to climb into the very upper echelon of college basketball. I think that window has now closed.

I was curious if Nova could've said they were on par with UNC during Wrights tenure (which was objectively unreal) and I was shocked to realize just how far behind UNC they were during that time.

Nova Under Wright:

Nova goes 520–197

16 NCAA tournaments. 3 S16, Elite 8, 2 FF, 2 Championships

seeds: four 1 seeds, four 2 seeds, one 3 seed, two 5 seeds and a 6 seed.


Meanwhile UNC During Wright's era:

541–209


18 NCAA tournaments, 3 championships, 2 runner up, 1 FF, 3 E8, 2 S16

Seeds: eight 1 seeds, two 2 seeds, one 3 seed, one 4 seed, two 6 seeds.
Maigh Eo for Sam

Scoop Snoop

Thanks Galway. Fair enough comparing the 2 during Wright's tenure, but Jay's starting scenario was different. I went with relatively recent history and admittedly cherry picked.

I still simply do not get the "the window is now closed" bit. Really disagree. On the contrary, Neptune's tenure provides the next Nova coach with a clean slate, not living in Jay's shadow from day 1. There would be a honeymoon period. After that? Better have Nova looking damn good.
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Billy Hoyle

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 27, 2024, 01:51:32 PMThanks Galway. Fair enough comparing the 2 during Wright's tenure, but Jay's starting scenario was different. I went with relatively recent history and admittedly cherry picked.

I still simply do not get the "the window is now closed" bit. Really disagree. On the contrary, Neptune's tenure provides the next Nova coach with a clean slate, not living in Jay's shadow from day 1. There would be a honeymoon period. After that? Better have Nova looking damn good.

In addition, with House and revenue sharing the Big East schools are going to be at an advantage over the Power 4 who have to share with 85-105 football players. Nova will be just fine. They won't have to settle for a mid-major coach (e.g. Medved, Odom) if they want to aid higher, they'll be able to pull someone to the Power 4 as we did with Shaka.
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Scoop Snoop


At the age of 58, this may be Anthony Grant's big chance to get a HC position in a major conference before high majors pass him over due to his age. This year's team may be his ticket. I could see him at Nova and bringing most of his team with him.
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Uncle Rico

Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

IrwinFletcher

Ben McCollum is a rising star.  He will not be at Drake very long.  I am wondering if someone will take a chance next spring and hire him after only 1 year at D1 level.

brewcity77

Quote from: MU82 on November 27, 2024, 11:49:17 AMThis is a really good post, brew, and I appreciate you mentioning some names on the rise.

Agree 100% about Shaka keeping VCU as a relevant A-10 program even after the FF run. That matters.

Another name I should mention. If I were an AD, I would strongly consider Brian Wardle. He built Green Bay into the best program in the Horizon and owns their top two kenpom finishes. He has Bradley top-100 in kenpom for the fourth straight year, something that has never happened there. Two MVC tourney titles and neither were with his best teams. They've been top-3 in both offense and defense in league play each of the past two years.

I know he divides opinions here, and I don't think he's the right fit for every program, but at a place that has the resources & patience for him to build a program, maybe like Iowa, K-State, or Oklahoma, he could be a really good high floor hire.
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Scoop Snoop

Quote from: tower912 on November 28, 2024, 08:49:46 AMHe is a Dayton alum.
but if

Yeah, he may be like Boeheim at Syracuse but if he wants to move to a major conference after keeping Dayton in the spotlight for years....?

In his late 50's, he may be saying to himself "don't mess with happy" and actually mean it.
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Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 28, 2024, 08:41:15 AMAt the age of 58, this may be Anthony Grant's big chance to get a HC position in a major conference before high majors pass him over due to his age. This year's team may be his ticket. I could see him at Nova and bringing most of his team with him.

He has been at a high major when he left VCU for Alabama and that didn't work out for him. Nova not having FBS football could appeal to him to make that move but he could also go the Mark Few route and finish his career at a place where he's comfortable and can do things on his terms.
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Biggie Clausen

#44
I think both Virginia and especially Villanova would go for a splashier hire than this, but what about Matt Langel at Colgate?  He's a 5x coach of the year in his league and has guided his team to five NCAA tournaments.  He's also only 47.  There's no telling if he can recruit at a high level, but he can clearly coach.  If Marquette had hired a guy like that after Buzz left, I would've been open to it.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: Biggie Clausen on November 28, 2024, 11:43:28 AMI think both Virginia and especially Villanova would go for a splashier hire than this, but what about Matt Langel at Colgate?  He's a 5x coach of the year in his league and has guided his team to five NCAA tournaments.  He's also only 47.  There's no telling if he can recruit at a high level, but he can clearly coach.  If Marquette had hired a guy like that after Buzz left, I would've been open to it.

I think his career already reached its crest. They should act like the high major they are and aim higher.
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Quote from: IrwinFletcher on November 28, 2024, 08:55:18 AMBen McCollum is a rising star.  He will not be at Drake very long.  I am wondering if someone will take a chance next spring and hire him after only 1 year at D1 level.

Depends upon how many "it's all about talent" ADs will bypass coaching for a Duke assistant.

wadesworld


oldwarrior81

isn't Nova paying Neptune (Inept-une) over $4 million a year?
They seem willing to pay for the "wright" coach.

They also just brought in a Nova grad as new AD that had been at Oregon.

Would they be willing to give someone like Archie Miller (Rhode Island) another chance at the top?  Although he hasn't been very impressive since his run at Dayton.  The Indiana/covid stint didn't end well.

Tyler COLEk

Villanova will be shooting higher than Archie Miller.

How about the man himself? Bring Jay Wright out of retirement. It'll take some finangling to fire his hand-picked successor, but let's make it happen.

Jay Bee

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Zog from Margo

Quote from: Jay Bee on November 28, 2024, 04:50:42 PMMedved 2 gophers ainal

Gophers should go for Dutcher. More poetic.

avid1010

Quote from: oldwarrior81 on November 28, 2024, 04:44:12 PMisn't Nova paying Neptune (Inept-une) over $4 million a year?
They seem willing to pay for the "wright" coach.

They also just brought in a Nova grad as new AD that had been at Oregon.

Would they be willing to give someone like Archie Miller (Rhode Island) another chance at the top?  Although he hasn't been very impressive since his run at Dayton.  The Indiana/covid stint didn't end well.
Wrong Miller.

oldwarrior81

Sean Miller is pulling in about $5 million a year at Xavier.
I think he would prove to be a difficult pull for Nova

Tyler COLEk

Sean Miller would be a pretty weak hire for Nova.

MU82

Quote from: Tyler COLEk on November 29, 2024, 07:23:09 PMSean Miller would be a pretty weak hire for Nova.

What realistic candidate do you think would be a good hire for them?
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Tyler COLEk

#56
Quote from: MU82 on November 30, 2024, 12:05:41 AMWhat realistic candidate do you think would be a good hire for them?

It's a pretty grim outlook for Nova. They should've fired Neptune after last year and made a run at Dusty May or Eric Musselman. As is stands, I'd say they should be getting ducks in a row to make the offer of a lifetime to TJ Otzelberger or, even less likely, Nate Oats.

I'm being a bit hard on Sean Miller given X's injury issues last year. He'd be in the acceptable-but-unexciting second tier. If you're poaching a Big East coach, I'd probably rather have Doug McDermott.

Brian Dutcher, Wes Miller and Grant McCasland would be risky but interesting candidates, though probably aren't the right fit geographically.

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Quote from: Tyler COLEk on November 30, 2024, 03:26:10 AMIt's a pretty grim outlook for Nova. They should've fired Neptune after last year and made a run at Dusty May or Eric Musselman. As is stands, I'd say they should be getting ducks in a row to make the offer of a lifetime to TJ Otzelberger or, even less likely, Nate Oats.

I'm being a bit hard on Sean Miller given X's injury issues last year. He'd be in the acceptable-but-unexciting second tier. If you're poaching a Big East coach, I'd probably rather have Doug McDermott.

Brian Dutcher, Wes Miller and Grant McCasland would be risky but interesting candidates, though probably aren't the right fit geographically.

May, Musselman, Oats, TJO, are and were never going to be on Nova's radar. Why would TJO leave ISU for Villanova? Ditto Oats and Alabama?

The guys they missed out on last year were the likes of DeVries and Kelsey. They would probably look at someone similar this time. Like a Bob Richey.
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I don't get the Sean Miller love.  The guy was very good (not great) when NIL was cheating. Now that everyone can "cheat", what does he bring to the table?
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Watching Oklahoma last night, would Moser be interested in a switch to some place like Villanova? Oklahoma just seems to be destined to the middle of the SEC forever now.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 30, 2024, 07:15:07 AMI don't get the Sean Miller love.  The guy was very good (not great) when NIL was cheating. Now that everyone can "cheat", what does he bring to the table?

Yep. I feel similarly.
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The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: MUDPT on November 30, 2024, 07:25:41 AMWatching Oklahoma last night, would Moser be interested in a switch to some place like Villanova? Oklahoma just seems to be destined to the middle of the SEC forever now.

That's actually not a bad idea.
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Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 30, 2024, 09:35:59 AMThat's actually not a bad idea.

I could see this. but really think Nova could do better. So "not a bad idea", but not a great one either in my opinion. And before you ask....no one comes to mind, but the NCAA tourney always seems to showcase a coach who has been somewhat overlooked.
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Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 30, 2024, 09:42:54 AMI could see this. but really think Nova could do better. So "not a bad idea", but not a great one either in my opinion.

Why do you think they can do better?
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Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 30, 2024, 09:46:10 AMWhy do you think they can do better?

Because of their fairly recent success. The cache' of the Nova name, the 2 nattys, the BE (even though the BE is looking a little shabby at the moment). Moser has had some success in the Big 12 which is widely considered the best bball conference and now is in the SEC. I'm just not seeing enough that says he's the best they can do.
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Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 30, 2024, 10:14:14 AMBecause of their fairly recent success. The cache' of the Nova name, the 2 nattys, the BE (even though the BE is looking a little shabby at the moment). Moser has had some success in the Big 12 which is widely considered the best bball conference and now is in the SEC. I'm just not seeing enough that says he's the best they can do.

I just don't think very good coaches move because of cache and recent national titles. They move because they are going to be paid more and have more resources at their disposal. That is why some of the names mentioned would never really work for Nova.
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Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 30, 2024, 10:18:23 AMI just don't think very good coaches move because of cache and recent national titles. They move because they are going to be paid more and have more resources at their disposal. That is why some of the names mentioned would never really work for Nova.

Gotcha! We shall see. The new AD is surely working on this Big Time.

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Quote from: MU82 on November 30, 2024, 12:05:41 AMWhat realistic candidate do you think would be a good hire for them?

Mick Cronin to Nova.

DoctorV

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 30, 2024, 09:46:10 AMWhy do you think they can do better?

Because Marquette did better, and Villanova is coming off of a recent dynasty with a few Nattys.

Porter is fine, he would likely be a good fit there, but I'm not sure they would be anywhere close to previous levels with him.
Definitely a level up from Neptune, but yea there's probably more elite hires.

I just haven't thought of who.

Jay Wright himself getting back into it would be best option, so they should at least call him 😃

Tyler COLEk

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 30, 2024, 07:01:42 AMMay, Musselman, Oats, TJO, are and were never going to be on Nova's radar. Why would TJO leave ISU for Villanova? Ditto Oats and Alabama?

The guys they missed out on last year were the likes of DeVries and Kelsey. They would probably look at someone similar this time. Like a Bob Richey.

I think you're too low on Nova's potential to draw high-end candidates. The shine has worn off a bit post-Jay Wright, but they're a better job than an Iowa State.

They also have elite spending. They could probably nearly double Otzelberger's $3m salary.

brewcity77

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 30, 2024, 07:01:42 AMThe guys they missed out on last year were the likes of DeVries and Kelsey. They would probably look at someone similar this time. Like a Bob Richey.

I think Richey would be a great hire there. Heard Speedy Claxton's name, not sure he's shown enough yet. Feels like it's just a Jay-connection hire, which they don't need IMO.
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