2024-25 NBA Thread

[The Sultan]

And a local high school legend. It's fine.

Don't get me started on Brian Winters.

[Uncle Rico]

Well sure, Unk. But we're allowed to have conversations on a fan board.

Not that I really care whose numbers the Bulls retire, as I'm neither a fan nor a hater. But a franchise that won 6 NBA titles retiring the number of a guy who only played 5 full seasons while experiencing no real team success seems like a pretty low bar to me.

Joakim Noah was with the Bulls for 9 seasons. Defensive Player of the Year. First-team All-NBA. Top-5 MVP voting. Averaged 10+ rebounds over his final 7 seasons with the Bulls. Career cut short by injury. Retire his number?

If the Bulls want to, yes.

[MU82]

Of course it's fine. And of course if the Bulls want to, they should retire anyone's and everyone's number.

[Uncle Rico]

Of course it's fine. And of course if the Bulls want to, they should retire anyone's and everyone's number.

The Bucks retired a lot of pretty good player jerseys.  I kind of like it as a reason for younger fans to learn a history of a team.  You could, of course, do a ring of honor as well, but potato, Dan Quayle

[BM1090]

Well sure, Unk. But we're allowed to have conversations on a fan board.

Not that I really care whose numbers the Bulls retire, as I'm neither a fan nor a hater. But a franchise that won 6 NBA titles retiring the number of a guy who only played 5 full seasons while experiencing no real team success seems like a pretty low bar to me.

Joakim Noah was with the Bulls for 9 seasons. Defensive Player of the Year. First-team All-NBA. Top-5 MVP voting. Averaged 10+ rebounds over his final 7 seasons with the Bulls. Career cut short by injury. Retire his number?

Noah vs Rose makes sense on paper but not if you have eyes.

[JWags85]

Noah vs Rose makes sense on paper but not if you have eyes.

The only MVP in Bulls history not named MJ and youngest MVP.  Also ROY.  At a time where the Bulls had won 1 playoff series in 15 years post MJ.  And for the eye test you mention, from 09-12 he was absolute must watch television.  I'd argue despite his very brief peak and limited playoff accomplishments, he's one of the more transcendent and impactful players for the NBA in the last 20 years.

FWIW, my colleagues in Indonesia are NBA crazy and basketball culture there is huge.  After Curry and Lebron, my friend said Rose was EASILY the most popular player/jersey you saw when he was in HS and university there in the early 2010s

[Shaka Shart]

Rose's MVP season was unbelievable theater. Legit unguardable on the drive. Those teams were genuinely a blast to watch besides Noah's shooting motion.

Rose really didn't understand how to take no for an answer!

[tower912]

Malik Beasley is going to get paid.  Either by an NBA team or by those who leveled the false accusations against him.

[wadesworld]

Will Rose be able to walk out onto the court for the jersey retirement?

[GB Warrior]

Malik Beasley is going to get paid.  Either by an NBA team or by those who leveled the false accusations against him.

But also he sucked so was it so hard to believe he was in the tank

[cheebs09]

Today I learned planting trees is a lucrative business.

[The Sultan]

Today I learned planting trees is a lucrative business.

Yeah, this is an incredible story.

https://bsky.app/profile/pablo.show/post/3lxwuusnnw22t

[JWags85]

This will be a fun proving ground for Adam Silver's credibility.

Last time I remember severe salary cap shenanigans getting caught was the TWolves trying to game Joe Smith's cap hits.  I think it was 3 consecutive cheap 1 year deals and then like an $80MM long term deal after the last of the 3 years.  The details came out in discovery during a legal dispute between Smith's agent and his former Agency and David Stern bish slapped them, suspending Kevin McHale for a year and initially stripping 5 first rounders.

Knowing Silver, its probably a few million dollar fine and a 2nd round pick lost at worst.

[Uncle Rico]

Yeah, this is an incredible story.

https://bsky.app/profile/pablo.show/post/3lxwuusnnw22t

Weird.  Owners tell us they need a salary cap because they can't afford paying players what they're really worth.

[wadesworld]

This will be a fun proving ground for Adam Silver's credibility.

Last time I remember severe salary cap shenanigans getting caught was the TWolves trying to game Joe Smith's cap hits.  I think it was 3 consecutive cheap 1 year deals and then like an $80MM long term deal after the last of the 3 years.  The details came out in discovery during a legal dispute between Smith's agent and his former Agency and David Stern bish slapped them, suspending Kevin McHale for a year and initially stripping 5 first rounders.

Knowing Silver, its probably a few million dollar fine and a 2nd round pick lost at worst.

Since then, the NBA's collective bargaining agreement between the league and its players has formally outlined punishments for cap circumvention. According to @APH00Ps on X (formerly Twitter), the current guidelines include:
$4.5 million fine for a first offense
$5.5 million fine for a second offense
The loss of one first-round draft pick
Possible voiding of the circumvented player's contract

So, basically, no punishment.

[cheebs09]

So, basically, no punishment.

Clippers are just lucky they didn't agree to a sign and trade a few hours early. That's the stuff that really ticks the league off.

[WhiteTrash]

Yeah, this is an incredible story.

https://bsky.app/profile/pablo.show/post/3lxwuusnnw22t

The Clippers stole that right from Kentucky's playbook. Thieves and cheats!

[Shaka Shart]

Wow, this is why I only watch the NFL.

No teams there circumvented the salary cap by signing a HOF star to team friendly deals and then paying the player for an affiliated separate organization.

[WhiteTrash]

Weird.  Owners tell us they need a salary cap because they can't afford paying players what they're really worth.

The NFL proves salary caps are bad for business.

[Uncle Rico]

The NFL proves salary caps are bad for business.

They're bad for the players for sure.  Owners have plenty of money to pay for what the fans want to see.

[barfolomew]

They're bad for the players for sure.  Owners have plenty of money to pay for what the fans want to see.

Male cheerleaders?

[The Sultan]

Nm

[MuggsyB]

Wow, this is why I only watch the NFL.

No teams there circumvented the salary cap by signing a HOF star to team friendly deals and then paying the player for an affiliated separate organization.

That story is crazy if true.  Sounds like the tree company was a ponzi scheme. 

[Shaka Shart]

That story is crazy if true.  Sounds like the tree company was a ponzi scheme. 

TB12 would pass every audit