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Quote from: MUfan12 on February 04, 2025, 10:03:58 AMIf the Bucks deal Middleton and a pick for Kuzma that might be it for me.

Giving up draft capital for an objectively worse player

MUBurrow

Would making that trade to get under the second apron open up any flexibility for Milwaukee to make future moves to stay competitive? Or would it strictly be a tax savings measure?  If the former, I can kiiiiind of see it - though I'm not a big fan of taking on two more years of a major contract in exchange for the $12M savings next year.

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If Horst's goal is to make Jimmy look more appealing, playing footsie with Kuzma is a good way of doing it

JWags85

Quote from: GB Warrior on February 04, 2025, 10:10:30 AMGiving up draft capital for an objectively worse player

The draft capital is the issue.  Otherwise I don't necessarily hate  it, especially if it opens up space.  4 years younger, no injury issues like Middleton, cheaper.  I don't love Kuzma, but he's been on absolutely AWFUL teams.  I would be interested in seeing his offense skillset within a proper team/offense

GB Warrior

Quote from: JWags85 on February 04, 2025, 11:06:13 AMThe draft capital is the issue.  Otherwise I don't necessarily hate  it, especially if it opens up space.  4 years younger, no injury issues like Middleton, cheaper.  I don't love Kuzma, but he's been on absolutely AWFUL teams.  I would be interested in seeing his offense skillset within a proper team/offense

He's shooting 42% and 28% from 3. What skillset are we trying to get?

Uncle Rico

Quote from: GB Warrior on February 04, 2025, 01:11:11 PMHe's shooting 42% and 28% from 3. What skillset are we trying to get?

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JWags85

Quote from: GB Warrior on February 04, 2025, 01:11:11 PMHe's shooting 42% and 28% from 3. What skillset are we trying to get?

You're giving up Middleton's 3P shooting, but Kuzma is a better scorer inside the arc.  He's had a down start to the year, but he's historically shooting 53-55% from 2, which is actually pretty solid for a jump shooter/slasher.  He's a good rebounder and help/weak side defender.  He's not a good fit as a #1 or #2 option, but as a 3rd behind Lillard and Giannis, and not being asked to fill it up from deep, he's not a bad piece.  Plenty of non-stars have turned into solid, effective players when no longer asked to be the man.


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Would have liked to find a way to get out of Pat's contract too.
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Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 06, 2025, 06:04:29 PMthe stats bear that out, but

The Sultan

Absolutely nothing but appreciation for Khris. It had to end eventually, but they don't win the title without him hitting shot after shot during that run. 22 will be deservedly hanging in the rafters one day.
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wadesworld

Horst is so bad.  So short sighted in everything he's done since Miami took advantage of Giannis getting injured round 1 a couple years ago.

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Quote from: JWags85 on February 04, 2025, 02:22:00 PMYou're giving up Middleton's 3P shooting, but Kuzma is a better scorer inside the arc.  He's had a down start to the year, but he's historically shooting 53-55% from 2, which is actually pretty solid for a jump shooter/slasher.  He's a good rebounder and help/weak side defender.  He's not a good fit as a #1 or #2 option, but as a 3rd behind Lillard and Giannis, and not being asked to fill it up from deep, he's not a bad piece.  Plenty of non-stars have turned into solid, effective players when no longer asked to be the man.

Yep. I like the trade for Milwaukee.
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GB Warrior

Hate it, but more because I think this season is more representative of who Kuzma is than last. I get it - if you don't think Khris can be a 30 min/gm guy, he doesn't fit this team's current construct

Baldwin and AJJ is rearranging deck chairs. AJJ never made sense for this team.

MUBurrow

Quote from: GB Warrior on February 04, 2025, 10:10:30 AMGiving up draft capital for an objectively worse player

It appears that they negotiated away from sending a first down to AJ Johnson and a pick swap and also took back a second rounder.  If nothing else, that is a good little bit of business and preserves the worse of their and the Wiz pick to include in future trades.

If you view Kuzma and Middleton as reasonably fungible, the question is whether a $32M expiring next year provided a better opportunity for future additions than two years of $20M. That strikes me as a reasonable minds can disagree proposition.

BM1090

Something doesn't sit right with me about sending Khris to the worst team in the league.

I do think the trade makes them slightly better on the floor this year. Not enough to truly move the needle though.

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JWags85

Quote from: MUBurrow on February 05, 2025, 10:04:29 AMIt appears that they negotiated away from sending a first down to AJ Johnson and a pick swap and also took back a second rounder.  If nothing else, that is a good little bit of business and preserves the worse of their and the Wiz pick to include in future trades.

If you view Kuzma and Middleton as reasonably fungible, the question is whether a $32M expiring next year provided a better opportunity for future additions than two years of $20M. That strikes me as a reasonable minds can disagree proposition.

Yea, this gets them under the apron too so there flexibility is there.

Quote from: BM1090 on February 05, 2025, 10:22:06 AMSomething doesn't sit right with me about sending Khris to the worst team in the league.

I do think the trade makes them slightly better on the floor this year. Not enough to truly move the needle though.

He's probably gonna get bought out anyways.  And thats nothing new, bad teams have the best priced assets to be picked up reasonably

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JWags85

Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 05, 2025, 01:36:23 PMI hope he enjoys Oshkosh

He got bagged on a bunch for choosing Milwaukee at the time, which I agreed with, and its funny how that has been basically the tipping point for his career decline.  Went from a consensus top 8 recruit, borderline top 5, that was a Duke lean to going to Milwaukee and having a weird year playing for a terrible coach who happened to be his father.  Plummeted from a lottery pick to bottom of the first round.  Barely played in GS, got traded to the worst team in basketball, and can't even get reliable minutes or buckets there.  I would imagine he's off to Asia once this contract is up.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: JWags85 on February 05, 2025, 05:42:33 PMHe got bagged on a bunch for choosing Milwaukee at the time, which I agreed with, and its funny how that has been basically the tipping point for his career decline.  Went from a consensus top 8 recruit, borderline top 5, that was a Duke lean to going to Milwaukee and having a weird year playing for a terrible coach who happened to be his father.  Plummeted from a lottery pick to bottom of the first round.  Barely played in GS, got traded to the worst team in basketball, and can't even get reliable minutes or buckets there.  I would imagine he's off to Asia once this contract is up.

His shine was dulled before enrolling at Milwaukee.

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wadesworld

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 05, 2025, 06:08:38 PMHis shine was dulled before enrolling at Milwaukee.



Yeah. And probably would've just been more exposed playing in the ACC. Being hidden was probably the best thing for him. Get a $14MM head start on your earnings as a 19-23 year old.

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