2024-25 NBA Thread

[wadesworld]

People throw out the term "quitter" or "quit" too much.  Why are athletes or coaches called "quitters" for leaving for a different job when every person outside of athletics does that throughout their life?

Butler isn't a quitter.  He is a malcontent.

[Billy Hoyle]

People throw out the term "quitter" or "quit" too much.  Why are athletes or coaches called "quitters" for leaving for a different job when every person outside of athletics does that throughout their life?

Butler isn't a quitter.  He is a malcontent.

When someone quits while still an employee that makes them a "quitter" (as Millenials and Gen Z call it, "quiet quitting").

[The Sultan]

When someone quits while still an employee that makes them a "quitter" (as Millenials and Gen Z call it, "quiet quitting").

That's not what "quiet quitting" means.

Anyway, I don't think anyone is defending Butler's actions here, but claiming that he has a history of quitting doesn't make any sense.

[Pakuni]

When someone quits while still an employee that makes them a "quitter" (as Millenials and Gen Z call it, "quiet quitting").

Is Jimmy refusing to play?

[Pakuni]

Quit in Chicago because he didn't like contract or coach.

Quit in Minny cuz he didn't like teammates.

Quit in Philly cuz he didn't like contract.

Quit in Miami cuz, well, cuz he's a quitter.


He will be perfect on an utterly dysfunctional Suns team. And I'm sure he'll give it at least a year before his inner quitter re-emerges.

None of this is true.
Jimmy deserves criticism for the way he's handled things, but you're making sh*t up.

[The Sultan]

He is a symbol of what is wrong with the NBA.

What does this mean?

[Its DJOver]

Anyone else feel like none of these big pieces are going to move by the deadline.  Every proposed scenario I've seen that "works" involves something like 4+ teams, Beal agreeing to go to Chicago and Miami getting a return of like Bobby + a 2nd rounder. Just feels like too many unlikely pieces have to fall into place.

[wadesworld]

Anyone else feel like none of these big pieces are going to move by the deadline.  Every proposed scenario I've seen that "works" involves something like 4+ teams, Beal agreeing to go to Chicago and Miami getting a return of like Bobby + a 2nd rounder. Just feels like too many unlikely pieces have to fall into place.

I'd be surprised if Jimmy doesn't get move.  No idea what the deal will be.

[MUBurrow]

Jimmy's player option for next year is so fascinating.  Presumably, any team that acquires him will want him to agree to opt in as a condition to the trade, with the plan of reworking and extending his contract.  But at the same time, losing Jimmy for nothing costs the Heat less than most teams because Miami is such a FA destination, they will easily be able to redeploy the cap space (De'Aaron Fox?).  If Jimmy didn't get dealt, would he opt into his player option out of spite?  Is he using that as a threat against Pat Riley?

[Jockey]

Jimmy's player option for next year is so fascinating.  Presumably, any team that acquires him will want him to agree to opt in as a condition to the trade, with the plan of reworking and extending his contract.  But at the same time, losing Jimmy for nothing costs the Heat less than most teams because Miami is such a FA destination, they will easily be able to redeploy the cap space (De'Aaron Fox?).  If Jimmy didn't get dealt, would he opt into his player option out of spite?  Is he using that as a threat against Pat Riley?

This is what I have been saying about Jimmy in a nutshell.

#bigC

[The Sultan]

This is what I have been saying about Jimmy in a nutshell.

#bigC

Ah. You have decided to use a dictionary rent argument because your "quitter" one was poor.

And why wouldn't a player use what is spelled out in his contract for leverage? That happens all of the time.

[cheebs09]

The NBA has been a player-driven league for a long time. I think Jimmy has been a little louder about his intentions than most, but Durant, Kyrie, and Harden have all done similar.

People cheer the NFL players who hold out, although the lack of guaranteed money does change that equation.

[Jockey]

Ah. You have decided to use a dictionary rent argument because your "quitter" one was poor.

And why wouldn't a player use what is spelled out in his contract for leverage? That happens all of the time.

I stand by quitter.

For clarity, my use of 'quitter ' refers to quitting on his teammates. I don't care about contract issues - they go on in every sport all of the time.

[The Sultan]

I stand by quitter.

For clarity, my use of 'quitter ' refers to quitting on his teammates. I don't care about contract issues - they go on in every sport all of the time.

You can stand by it. You're still wrong.

[Jockey]

You can stand by it. You're still wrong.

Respect your opinion - but I don't think we'll ever agree on this subject.

[Hards Alumni]

Quit in Chicago because he didn't like contract or coach.

Quit in Minny cuz he didn't like teammates.

Quit in Philly cuz he didn't like contract.

Quit in Miami cuz, well, cuz he's a quitter.


He will be perfect on an utterly dysfunctional Suns team. And I'm sure he'll give it at least a year before his inner quitter re-emerges.

You're such a casual NBA fan and it shows.

[Hards Alumni]

What does this mean?

"Shut up and dribble"

[Jockey]

You can stand by it. You're still wrong.

 "The suspension is due to a continued pattern of disregard of team rules, engaging in conduct detrimental to the team and intentionally withholding services."

As I said, a quitter.

#bigC

[The Sultan]

"The suspension is due to a continued pattern of disregard of team rules, engaging in conduct detrimental to the team and intentionally withholding services."

As I said, a quitter.

#bigC

Cool. Now explain how he quit in Chicago, Minnesota and Philadelphia.

[Pakuni]

"The suspension is due to a continued pattern of disregard of team rules, engaging in conduct detrimental to the team and intentionally withholding services."

As I said, a quitter.

#bigC

He left a practice early after being told he was being replaced in the starting lineup by Haywood Highsmith.
Now tell us, if the Heat are starting Haywood Highsmith over Jimmy, which side is the real quitter here? Which side is letting down the rest of the roster? The guy who leaves practice or the team management that's forcing a far inferior player into the lineup out of spite?

[Jockey]

You're such a casual NBA fan and it shows.

If I remember correctly, you are the one who said they would take

You're such a casual NBA fan and it shows.

If I remember correctly, you were the one who said they would rather have Lamar than Mahomes in a big game. Maybe you not the one to accuse others of being a casual fan?

And, yes, it does show.

[BM1090]

If I remember correctly, you are the one who said they would take
If I remember correctly, you were the one who said they would rather have Lamar than Mahomes in a big game. Maybe you not the one to accuse others of being a casual fan?

And, yes, it does show.

Goff 4 MVP

[Hards Alumni]

If I remember correctly, you are the one who said they would take
If I remember correctly, you were the one who said they would rather have Lamar than Mahomes in a big game. Maybe you not the one to accuse others of being a casual fan?

And, yes, it does show.

Yes, and I'm still correct.  Lamar is the better player, and it isn't even remotely close.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/qbr-leaders-in-nfl-2024-to-2025

https://nflrankings.theringer.com/qb-rankings

https://www.nfl.com/news/ranking-each-nfl-team-s-primary-starting-quarterback-from-the-2024-regular-season

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2024/leaders.htm

Not only is he the league's best QB, he is the league's best player, period.

You're just a stupid person who prefers vibes instead of facts.

[Jockey]

I think you guys should all call your bosses in the morning and tell them you are withholding your services.

Then come back on Scoop later in the morning and use some twisted semantics to prove you didn't 'quit'.

[The Sultan]

I think you guys should all call your bosses in the morning and tell them you are withholding your services.

Then come back on Scoop later in the morning and use some twisted semantics to prove you didn't 'quit'.

Are you ever going to attempt to explain how he quit in Chicago, Minnesota or Philadelphia? Or are you just going to forget you ever claimed that?