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wadesworld

Quote from: Jockey on May 14, 2025, 06:00:04 PMZion is an average to slightly below average defender.

Naming him all-defense is equivalent to giving Rafael Palmiero a Gold Glove because he hit a lot of HRs.

He is an average NBA defender. He was elite at Duke. He led the ACC in Defensive Box Plus Minus (and offensive, and obviously overall). He averaged 2 blocks and 2 steals per game. Led the ACC in steals.

But if you want to dig your head in the sand that's okay too.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 14, 2025, 07:15:27 PMCan you recall another player at his height that played like Brunson?  No one comes to me off the top of my head. 

Cousy would put him in a blender
"Well, we're all going to die."

MuggsyB

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 14, 2025, 07:35:50 PMCousy would put him in a blender
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Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 14, 2025, 07:35:50 PMCousy would put him in a blender

I've seen clips.  Cousy didn't have that physical power.  He sort of reminds me of the low post SF's in the 80's.  But with way better handles and more range. 

tower912

Different game, different era, but Vinnie Johnson did his best work in the mid range, didn't care who was guarding him, could get his shot up against anyone, and was generously listed at 6'2. 
  But yes, Brunson's post game at his size is impressive.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

The Sultan

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 14, 2025, 07:46:24 PMHe sort of reminds me of the low post SF's in the 80's.

At 6'2"???
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MuggsyB


tower912

Are you talking Dantley?  Barkley? Bernard King?  More specificity, please.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

The Sultan

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 14, 2025, 07:53:23 PMThe way he plays.  A miniature version. 

I think you can look at some guards with similar game. Chauncey Billups or a better shooting Mark Jackson for instance.
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MuggsyB

Quote from: tower912 on May 14, 2025, 07:54:27 PMAre you talking Dantley?  Barkley? Bernard King?  More specificity, please.

I've watched a lot of clips of those guys.  King, Dantley, Aguirre, could all get to their spots.  All of them had tremendous footwork.  Now they were heavier, and had far more strength, but they could take bigger guys in the paint.  I'm just thinking out loud.

The Sultan

Quote from: tower912 on May 14, 2025, 07:54:27 PMAre you talking Dantley?  Barkley? Bernard King?  More specificity, please.

Yeah Brunson isn't like any of those guys.
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MuggsyB

Quote from: The Sultan on May 14, 2025, 07:57:30 PMI think you can look at some guards with similar game. Chauncey Billups or a better shooting Mark Jackson for instance.

Mark Jackson couldn't score like Brunson.  Billups is a thought.  Sam Cassell?

wadesworld

It'd be so funny if the C's went on to win this series after going down 3-1 with Tatum.

MuggsyB

Quote from: wadesworld on May 14, 2025, 08:04:30 PMIt'd be so funny if the C's went on to win this series after going down 3-1 with Tatum.

That would be amusing. 

MuggsyB

TyKo on the floor for the Knicks. 

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 14, 2025, 08:41:32 PMTyKo on the floor for the Knicks. 

He'll never play in the NBA
"Well, we're all going to die."

MuggsyB

The Dubs have no answer for Randle. 

wadesworld

There are a lot of potentially very funny outcomes in play. KAT being the second best player on a title team while Jimmy watches from Cancun, the TWolves knocking out Jimmy/Gobert knocking out Draymond, the C's going down 1-3 to the Knicks with Tatum and winning the last 3 of the series without Tatum would all be very funny.

Jockey

Quote from: wadesworld on May 14, 2025, 07:15:53 PMHe is an average NBA defender. He was elite at Duke. He led the ACC in Defensive Box Plus Minus (and offensive, and obviously overall). He averaged 2 blocks and 2 steals per game. Led the ACC in steals.

But if you want to dig your head in the sand that's okay too.

Ah..., I apologize. I didn't realize he forgot how to defend.

wadesworld

Quote from: Jockey on May 14, 2025, 10:12:04 PMAh..., I apologize. I didn't realize he forgot how to defend.

So you chose the stick your head in the sand and continue to look clueless route. I forgot the level of player in the NBA is the same as it is in college. I look forward to Ryan Kalkbrenner winning DPOY in the NBA next year.

By the way, how's alpha boy Jimmy doing? Finally a guy the Warriors need to get that elusive ring.

Maybe sit out the NBA thread from now on. Your takes are horrendous.

MuggsyB

Hasn't been a good game for Jimmy.  Minny would be up by 40 if they weren't kicking the ball away. 

MuggsyB

Crazy turnovers from Edwards.

MuggsyB

Question: Why wasn't Draymond guarding Julius Randle in this series?

Jay Bee

Stfu with the nonsense and praise the Wolves!!!HOWWWWLLLL
The portal is NOT closed.

BM1090

Quote from: Jay Bee on May 14, 2025, 11:51:01 PMStfu with the nonsense and praise the Wolves!!!HOWWWWLLLL

Wolves are legit. Probably would have lost this series if Steph was healthy though.

MuggsyB

Quote from: BM1090 limnk=msg=1744765 date=1747287397Wolves are legit. Probably would have lost this series if Steph was healthy though.

The series was further illustration of how good Curry is.  I'm also a little dumbfounded that the coach of "the greatest defender I've ever ever seen", didn't have his guy defend Randle.  Or Edwards.  Randle absolutely torched the Dubs.  It's also worth noting that Draymond begging his bench to challenge his foul on Gobert in the 4Q was an embarrassment.   

The Wolves are legitimate contenders, but have to take care of the ball.  Especially if they get OkC.

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