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[MuggsyB]

Don't you claim to not like Trump but we're going to vote for him because Biden was worse? Shouldn't this be welcome news for you? You'll have another option to vote for!

It's possible if it's not Kamala Harris. 

[Scoop Snoop]

I agree 100%. My point is that many Dems will feel disenfranchised if their current choice is not picked. Their candidate may not be the best choice but they could feel like the party passed over their person without the benefit of a vote.

Apparently, only Harris is entitled to get the 91 mil that is sitting in the bank, because she is part of the Biden-Harris campaign. Anyone know if this is correct?

I'm watching to see if the powers in the Democratic party are willing to seriously consider anyone other than Harris and, if so, get a feel for who their voters would like. Otherwise, Harris could be the new Hillary.

[The Sultan]

Apparently, only Harris is entitled to get the 91 mil that is sitting in the bank, because she is part of the Biden-Harris campaign. Anyone know if this is correct?

Yes, but it could be transferred to an "independent" Super Pac if she is not the nominee.

[MU82]

With all due respect, patriotism didn't play a role in this decision.

With all due respect, we disagree. If you think it's easy for a person to willingly surrender the presidency, I guess you missed what happened in the winter of 2021. President Biden's decision was selfless and patriotic.

He was forced out because he couldn't win. The money dried up. Nothing patriotic about this career politician's announcement, aina?

You think calling the vice president a coward on 1/6/21 was "patriotic," so you're not the best judge of what is and isn't patriotic.

[Scoop Snoop]

Yes, but it could be transferred to an "independent" Super Pac if she is not the nominee.

Thanks. It did not seem logical to me that the money was inaccessible, but I did not know how that would work.

[Pakuni]

Could realistically the Dems put Josh Shapiro, Mark Kelly, or Whitmer out there?  This is going to be an insane few months if Kamala Harris isn't the candidate.

1. They can put anyone they want out there.
2. Why?

[MuggsyB]

I agree with all of this. The decision should have been made 1 year ago and allow the voters to pick the candidate. But, what is done, is done.

If the Dems pick right and Trumps messes up, which is entirely possible, this could be a great move. IMO, both need to happen, not just one or the other.

Will Trump agree to another debate? I think he will want to but his people and party will advise him not to.

I think it goes well beyond that WT.  There has to be some accountability regarding why he ran for a 2nd term and the media coddling/ lying about him and his cognition issues for at least two years. 

[The Sultan]

With all due respect, we disagree. If you think it's easy for a person to willingly surrender the presidency, I guess you missed what happened in the winter of 2021. President Biden's decision was selfless and patriotic.

Dude, he dropped out because the leadership and money pressured him to. There was nothing patriotic about it. That's just nonsense.

[MuggsyB]

1. They can put anyone they want out there.
2. Why?

I just don't think the vast majority of the general public have any idea who there are or their views. 

[The Sultan]

I just don't think the vast majority of the general public have any idea who there are or their views. 

LOL, that could be helpful.

[MuggsyB]

Dude, he dropped out because the leadership and money pressured him to. There was nothing patriotic about it. That's just nonsense.

Ya......I don't understand his take at all Fluffy.  It seems rather obvious what happened. 

[MuggsyB]

LOL, that could be helpful.

Fair point!  Maybe they can have like a reality TV show with 6 candidates? 

[WhiteTrash]

I think they'll get over it. I doubt many Gretchen Whitmer fans are voting for Trump, or sitting this out, if the party nominates someone else.
This is overwhelmingly good news for the Democrats, no matter how you spin it. It's possible they still lose in November, but this gives them a fighting chance, something they didn't have 24 hours ago.

I don't think I was spinning anything. I agreed that, without even knowing who the candidate will be, Trump's path just got harder and I laid out how the Dems could win. I agreed the Dems didn't have much of a choice. I simply pointed out that forcing out Biden leaves the Dems in a position where they have to be essentially perfect going forward to win and possibly avoid upsetting some of their base.

[Jockey]

I don't know about that, but I do wonder if Biden agreed to drop out days ago, but waited until the Sunday after the RNC so the Dems suck up all the oxygen in the room.

I think that is spot on. Once Pelosi met with Biden, it was inevitable.

[Scoop Snoop]

I don't think I was spinning anything. I agreed that, without even knowing who the candidate will be, Trump's path just got harder and I laid out how the Dems could win. I agreed the Dems didn't have much of a choice. I simply pointed out that forcing out Biden leaves the Dems in a position where they have to be essentially perfect going forward to win and possibly avoid upsetting some of their base.

They're going to upset part of their base no matter who they choose, but your point is valid that their margin for error is very small. It will be interesting to see if the Dems actually have accepted that the voters, NOT them, will make or break them. That's why I said that Harris may be the new Hillary if Harris is not who the voters want. Instead of 2016 being a cakewalk for Hillary, she got the cake shoved in her face.

[4everwarriors]

With all due respect, we disagree. If you think it's easy for a person to willingly surrender the presidency, I guess you missed what happened in the winter of 2021. President Biden's decision was selfless and patriotic.

You think calling the vice president a coward on 1/6/21 was "patriotic," so you're not the best judge of what is and isn't patriotic.

It was obvious when da Buffoon crapprd himself at da debate that he was unelectable. Nothing patriotic here, hey?

[The Sultan]

They're going to upset part of their base no matter who they choose, but your point is valid that their margin for error is very small. It will be interesting to see if the Dems actually have accepted that the voters, NOT them, will make or break them. That's why I said that Harris may be the new Hillary if Harris is not who the voters want. Instead of 2016 being a cakewalk for Hillary, she got the cake shoved in her face.

The only two Democratic Presidents to be re-elected since 1964 were somewhat surprise candidates who emerged after contested primaries. Clinton and Obama.  Their leadership anointing candidates usually doesn't work.

That being said, Trump is generally not popular. I mean, he lost four years ago. So the risk is clearly less because of that.

[Pakuni]

I don't think I was spinning anything. I agreed that, without even knowing who the candidate will be, Trump's path just got harder and I laid out how the Dems could win. I agreed the Dems didn't have much of a choice. I simply pointed out that forcing out Biden leaves the Dems in a position where they have to be essentially perfect going forward to win and possibly avoid upsetting some of their base.

Just fyi meant "no matter how you spin it" is a global sense, not a you sense.

[Herman Cain]

It was obvious when da Buffoon crapprd himself at da debate that he was unelectable. Nothing patriotic here, hey?

Will be interesting to see who is pardoned in the coming days, weeks and months.

[BM1090]

I hope there's a surprise candidate, because I don't see Harris flipping any of the states they need.

You're probably correct, but I do know quite a few folks that were unenthusiastic about Biden that will be enthusiastic about Harris (or any other candidate)

[BM1090]

Dude, he dropped out because the leadership and money pressured him to. There was nothing patriotic about it. That's just nonsense.

Slight disagree. He absolutely dropped out because of pressure, but he didn't have to do it. It was still a selfless decision.

[WhiteTrash]

Just fyi meant "no matter how you spin it" is a global sense, not a you sense.

Got ya.

[The Sultan]

Slight disagree. He absolutely dropped out because of pressure, but he didn't have to do it. It was still a selfless decision.

I only was commenting on his use of the word "patriotic."

[MU82]

Dude, he dropped out because the leadership and money pressured him to. There was nothing patriotic about it. That's just nonsense.

Muggs and 4elder agree with ya, dude.

Slight disagree. He absolutely dropped out because of pressure, but he didn't have to do it. It was still a selfless decision.

Yep.

[Lennys Tap]

The GOP candidate for president gets shot in the ear, and his archrival first releases a heartfelt statement wishing the GOP candidate a speedy recovery and later calls the GOP candidate to again wish him well. (Even the GOP candidate, who viscerally hates his rival, says it was a very nice call.)

The Dem candidate for president - who also is the sitting president of the United States - makes the very difficult decision to not run for re-election, and his archrival celebrates by taking a giant whiz all over the president with an angry, hate-filled, lie-filled screed.

As always, character revealed.

What Biden did today was 1,000 times more patriotic than anything America's Hitler has ever done in his entire self-serving life ... and it was a bazillion times more patriotic than America's Hitler fomenting a violent coup attempt against the United States.

Balanced assessment as usual. LOL