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Goose

The Dem's know how to play politics. I am fully expecting a surprise candidate prior to the convention. I think Trump's path to victory might get tougher in the upcoming weeks.

MUfan12

Quote from: Goose on July 21, 2024, 01:56:10 PM
The Dem's know how to play politics. I am fully expecting a surprise candidate prior to the convention. I think Trump's path to victory might get tougher in the upcoming weeks.

I hope there's a surprise candidate, because I don't see Harris flipping any of the states they need.

Pakuni

Quote from: Goose on July 21, 2024, 01:56:10 PM
The Dem's know how to play politics. I am fully expecting a surprise candidate prior to the convention. I think Trump's path to victory might get tougher in the upcoming weeks.

It's already tougher.

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 21, 2024, 01:55:24 PM
Just edited my post  ;D

I didn't want to be the one to tell you.  ;D

One thing is very clear- when the megadonors shut off the spigot, a candidate is toast. Even if you are a sitting president running for reelection. I'm not sure Biden would have dropped out without the megadonors bailing on him.

There are some basic similarities between business and politics. The most obvious one is marketing. Now is a good time to remind readers to note one of my signatures. OK....regardless of your opinion of the candidates now and 8 years ago....the Republicans have a candidate that they are excited about. Hillary was promoted heavily by Democratic powers in 2016. After the Big Surprise, many Democratic voters said they stayed home because they "did not like her".

Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

"All of our answers are unencumbered by the thought process." NPR's Click and Clack of Car Talk.

MU82

The GOP candidate for president gets shot in the ear, and his archrival first releases a heartfelt statement wishing the GOP candidate a speedy recovery and later calls the GOP candidate to again wish him well. (Even the GOP candidate, who viscerally hates his rival, says it was a very nice call.)

The Dem candidate for president - who also is the sitting president of the United States - makes the very difficult decision to not run for re-election, and his archrival celebrates by taking a giant whiz all over the president with an angry, hate-filled, lie-filled screed.

As always, character revealed.

What Biden did today was 1,000 times more patriotic than anything America's Hitler has ever done in his entire self-serving life ... and it was a bazillion times more patriotic than America's Hitler fomenting a violent coup attempt against the United States.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2024, 02:00:26 PM
It's already tougher.
Agreed. But the Dems are going have to play this perfectly even if victory is no longer possible. Pulling the choice from Democratic voters could create some issues beyond November.

I'm far from any type of expert, but I'd guess they will have to poll Dems to death before picking a candidate.

MU1in77

Can you say Hillary?

WhiteTrash

Quote from: MU82 on July 21, 2024, 02:07:42 PM
The GOP candidate for president gets shot in the ear, and his archrival first releases a heartfelt statement wishing the GOP candidate a speedy recovery and later calls the GOP candidate to again wish him well. (Even the GOP candidate, who viscerally hates his rival, says it was a very nice call.)

The Dem candidate for president - who also is the sitting president of the United States - makes the very difficult decision to not run for re-election, and his archrival celebrates by taking a giant whiz all over the president with an angry, hate-filled, lie-filled screed.

As always, character revealed.

What Biden did today was 1,000 times more patriotic than anything America's Hitler has ever done in his entire self-serving life ... and it was a bazillion times more patriotic than America's Hitler fomenting a violent coup attempt against the United States.
Chill out. Trump is embarrassing but the Hitler comments are embarrassing too.

The Sultan

Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 21, 2024, 02:08:50 PM
Agreed. But the Dems are going have to play this perfectly even if victory is no longer possible. Pulling the choice from Democratic voters could create some issues beyond November.

I'm far from any type of expert, but I'd guess they will have to poll Dems to death before picking a candidate.

1. There wasn't really a choice. It's not like people are upset they could have voted for Dean Phillips instead.

2. I guaranty a HUGE majority of people who voted for Biden in the primary are happy that he withdrew. There aren't many Joe Biden fanboys out there.

3. Yes, they will have to play this perfectly. It's still very much uphill for the Dems.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MuggsyB

Quote from: Goose on July 21, 2024, 01:56:10 PM
The Dem's know how to play politics. I am fully expecting a surprise candidate prior to the convention. I think Trump's path to victory might get tougher in the upcoming weeks.

Goose,

I don't think they can have a surprise candidate.  If they have an open convention,  and in effect pass over Harris , it would open up another can of worms within the party.

ChuckyChip

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on July 21, 2024, 02:06:17 PMAfter the Big Surprise, many Democratic voters said they stayed home because they "did not like her".

Hillary won the popular vote by almost three million...not sure "many" stayed home.

The Sultan

Quote from: MU1in77 on July 21, 2024, 02:11:55 PM
Can you say Hillary?

I can, but it won't be Hillary.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 21, 2024, 02:08:50 PM
Agreed. But the Dems are going have to play this perfectly even if victory is no longer possible. Pulling the choice from Democratic voters could create some issues beyond November.

I'm far from any type of expert, but I'd guess they will have to poll Dems to death before picking a candidate.

The large majority of Democratic voters wanted Biden to drop out.

MuggsyB

Quote from: MU82 on July 21, 2024, 02:07:42 PM
The GOP candidate for president gets shot in the ear, and his archrival first releases a heartfelt statement wishing the GOP candidate a speedy recovery and later calls the GOP candidate to again wish him well. (Even the GOP candidate, who viscerally hates his rival, says it was a very nice call.)

The Dem candidate for president - who also is the sitting president of the United States - makes the very difficult decision to not run for re-election, and his archrival celebrates by taking a giant whiz all over the president with an angry, hate-filled, lie-filled screed.

As always, character revealed.

What Biden did today was 1,000 times more patriotic than anything America's Hitler has ever done in his entire self-serving life ... and it was a bazillion times more patriotic than America's Hitler fomenting a violent coup attempt against the United States.

With all due respect, patriotism didn't play a role in this decision. 

The Sultan

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2024, 02:18:51 PM
With all due respect, patriotism didn't play a role in this decision. 

Yeah, and the Hitler stuff is just hyperbolic nonsense.  People are having a nice, level discussion here and MU82 has to enter with his usual bomb-throwing.  He is incapable of serious discussion on this issue.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

#40
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"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: ChuckyChip on July 21, 2024, 02:17:41 PM
Hillary won the popular vote by almost three million...not sure "many" stayed home.

SO what? I guess you do not understand how our presidents are elected. She lost in too many states and therefore lost in the EC. You may want to read the constitution.
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

"All of our answers are unencumbered by the thought process." NPR's Click and Clack of Car Talk.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 21, 2024, 02:15:10 PM
1. There wasn't really a choice. It's not like people are upset they could have voted for Dean Phillips instead.

2. I guaranty a HUGE majority of people who voted for Biden in the primary are happy that he withdrew. There aren't many Joe Biden fanboys out there.

3. Yes, they will have to play this perfectly. It's still very much uphill for the Dems.
I agree with all of this. The decision should have been made 1 year ago and allow the voters to pick the candidate. But, what is done, is done.

If the Dems pick right and Trumps messes up, which is entirely possible, this could be a great move. IMO, both need to happen, not just one or the other.

Will Trump agree to another debate? I think he will want to but his people and party will advise him not to.

The Sultan

Hillary was a terrible choice and ran a terrible campaign. They aren't countering the "too old" narrative around Biden by running a 76 year old failed candidate. Not to mention the Clinton grip on the party died its last death with the Donna Brazile-concocted effort to fast track Biden's nomination last week.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2024, 01:37:15 PM
So, will every Democrat now admit that dumping Biden had zero to do with his personal health?   If he was in a coma and up in the polls would he still be running?   He wins the primary, with 14 million people voting for him,  but all of a sudden there's an epiphany after the debate debacle?  You have to admire how steadfast the Dems are about protecting Democracy.

Don't you claim to not like Trump but we're going to vote for him because Biden was worse? Shouldn't this be welcome news for you? You'll have another option to vote for!
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


WhiteTrash

Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2024, 02:18:38 PM
The large majority of Democratic voters wanted Biden to drop out.
I agree 100%. My point is that many Dems will feel disenfranchised if their current choice is not picked. Their candidate may not be the best choice but they could feel like the party passed over their person without the benefit of a vote.

4everwarriors

Quote from: MU82 on July 21, 2024, 02:07:42 PM
The GOP candidate for president gets shot in the ear, and his archrival first releases a heartfelt statement wishing the GOP candidate a speedy recovery and later calls the GOP candidate to again wish him well. (Even the GOP candidate, who viscerally hates his rival, says it was a very nice call.)

The Dem candidate for president - who also is the sitting president of the United States - makes the very difficult decision to not run for re-election, and his archrival celebrates by taking a giant whiz all over the president with an angry, hate-filled, lie-filled screed.

As always, character revealed.

What Biden did today was 1,000 times more patriotic than anything America's Hitler has ever done in his entire self-serving life ... and it was a bazillion times more patriotic than America's Hitler fomenting a violent coup attempt against the United States.

He was forced out because he couldn't win. The money dried up. Nothing patriotic about this career politician's announcement, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

MuggsyB

Could realistically the Dems put Josh Shapiro, Mark Kelly, or Whitmer out there?  This is going to be an insane few months if Kamala Harris isn't the candidate. 

cheebs09

I'm hoping golf handicap is a primary decision in who the democrats nominate.

In all seriousness, it will be interesting to see if there's a debate with the new candidate and how different it goes for Trump with somebody quicker on their feet.

Pakuni

Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 21, 2024, 02:30:53 PM
I agree 100%. My point is that many Dems will feel disenfranchised if their current choice is not picked. Their candidate may not be the best choice but they could feel like the party passed over their person without the benefit of a vote.

I think they'll get over it. I doubt many Gretchen Whitmer fans are voting for Trump, or sitting this out, if the party nominates someone else.
This is overwhelmingly good news for the Democrats, no matter how you spin it. It's possible they still lose in November, but this gives them a fighting chance, something they didn't have 24 hours ago.

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