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Home and Home with Maryland
« on: May 15, 2024, 09:34:17 AM »
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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2024, 10:03:09 AM »
Three games against the B1G this year. Hope he's ready to go win against the conference he's 6-14 against all time and 2-7 against at MU.
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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2024, 10:03:16 AM »
4D chess move by Shaka. Heading to the DMV in the fall to potentially visit and close on 2025 recruits Nyk Lewis and Adrien Stevens

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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2024, 10:23:52 AM »
Glad to see them getting these games even without the conference challenges.

That’s at least 5 OOC games now against power conference teams.

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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2024, 10:29:23 AM »
Three games against the B1G this year. Hope he's ready to go win against the conference he's 6-14 against all time and 2-7 against at MU.

I remember 3 against UW, 2 against Illinois, 2 against Purdue, and the NCAA game against MSU.

What’s the 9th?

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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2024, 10:31:13 AM »
I remember 3 against UW, 2 against Illinois, 2 against Purdue, and the NCAA game against MSU.

What’s the 9th?

I included the Michigan "secret scrimmage" loss.
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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2024, 10:39:57 AM »
Those count double.

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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2024, 10:44:27 AM »
Wonder who Darryl will be pulling for.  Spent more time at Maryland, but actually played for Shaka and not Willard.
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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2024, 11:03:05 AM »
Wonder who Darryl will be pulling for.  Spent more time at Maryland, but actually played for Shaka and not Willard.

Might have to get him one of those split jerseys.

I feel like he'd probably go Marquette on this one given that he followed his guy here and Turgeon is gone.

Really good one to schedule though. East coast reach with an area that we recruit (as others have noted in this thread).
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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2024, 11:19:47 AM »
I included the Michigan "secret scrimmage" loss.

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That’s pretty bogus.

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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2024, 11:24:25 AM »
::)

That’s pretty bogus.

It hurt our seeding. It's very real.
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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2024, 11:35:40 AM »
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That’s pretty bogus.

... it's one game I'd have included it if we won as well. Does 25% vs 22% win % really change the point that much?
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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2024, 11:40:38 AM »
... it's one game I'd have included it if we won as well. Does 25% vs 22% win % really change the point that much?

1. It's not an actual game. It's silly to include it either way.

2. Out of curiosity, do we know what games they were favored in? I would guess we were favored in the home game v. UW and the tournament game v. MSU for sure. I think we were underdogs in both Illinois games, both Purdue games and the first UW game. Not remembering last year's UW game.
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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2024, 11:54:44 AM »
1. It's not an actual game. It's silly to include it either way.

2. Out of curiosity, do we know what games they were favored in? I would guess we were favored in the home game v. UW and the tournament game v. MSU for sure. I think we were underdogs in both Illinois games, both Purdue games and the first UW game. Not remembering last year's UW game.

We were slight favorites this year vs UW
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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2024, 12:01:48 PM »
We were slight favorites this year vs UW

So we favored to go 3-5, but we went 2-6.
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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2024, 12:03:53 PM »
2. Out of curiosity, do we know what games they were favored in? I would guess we were favored in the home game v. UW and the tournament game v. MSU for sure. I think we were underdogs in both Illinois games, both Purdue games and the first UW game. Not remembering last year's UW game.

Going off KenPom:
Underdog
2021 vs Illinois, MU +9
2022 vs Purdue, MU +10
2023 vs Illinois, MU +1
2023 vs Purdue, MU +3

Favorite
2022 vs UW, MU -5
2023 vs UW, MU -1
2023 vs Mich. State, MU -3
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2024, 12:06:01 PM »
Going off KenPom:
Underdog
2021 vs Illinois, MU +9
2022 vs Purdue, MU +10
2023 vs Illinois, MU +1
2023 vs Purdue, MU +3

Favorite
2022 vs UW, MU -5
2023 vs UW, MU -1
2023 vs Mich. State, MU -3

Assuming we were underdogs for the '21 game at Madison.
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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2024, 12:07:15 PM »
Yes, MU +9 in that contest.
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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2024, 12:10:10 PM »
OK, so we lost one more than we should have. I think this seems more of a big deal than it actually is because one of those "upsets" was in the NCAAT and two were to UW.
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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2024, 01:40:34 PM »
Going off KenPom:
Underdog
2021 vs Illinois, MU +9
2022 vs Purdue, MU +10
2023 vs Illinois, MU +1
2023 vs Purdue, MU +3

Favorite
2022 vs UW, MU -5
2023 vs UW, MU -1
2023 vs Mich. State, MU -3

Idk how hard it is to look up at point spreads by coach so these are just at a glance records and I'll leave it you to decide if you want to check whether Shaka's teams were favored or not.

Vs B12 7-0 (just between VCU & MU)
Vs PAC 12 (8-3)
Vs SEC (7-6)
Vs ACC (11-5)

Again I don't know what amount of games his teams were or were not favored in so maybe a lot of scrubs there but that'd be wild if he just happened to predominantly play teams he's an underdog against in the B1G as opposed to other conferences. I think there's enough data to at least ponder whether it's a matchup of styles issue.
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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2024, 02:10:46 PM »
I pondered it and have concluded that there is not enough data to make a real conclusion.

I lean toward coincidence, though.
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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2024, 02:12:42 PM »
I think it could be a pace thing. But it's not that big of a deal IMO.
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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2024, 09:44:23 PM »
I don’t think it is a coincidence

Either way, great job of scheduling power 5 schools in NC

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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2024, 10:13:48 PM »
I don’t think it is a coincidence

So, in regards to how they did against Madison, do you think Wojo (4-3) was a better coach than Shaka (0-3), or merely that Wojo built more hard-nosed, rough-and-tumble teams that could handle Madison better?
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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2024, 11:22:29 PM »
So, in regards to how they did against Madison, do you think Wojo (4-3) was a better coach than Shaka (0-3), or merely that Wojo built more hard-nosed, rough-and-tumble teams that could handle Madison better?

Maybe Shaka can have Wojo be a guest coach for Wisconsin games...

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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2024, 06:19:02 AM »
Its mind boggling how we lost to the less talented and poorly coached rodents. It stings to even ponder why.

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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2024, 07:01:20 AM »
It is good that MU will be playing a real team from the Baltimore/DC metroplex.




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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2024, 10:05:31 AM »
It is good that MU will be playing a real team from the Baltimore/DC metroplex.

Baltimore has as much in common with DC as Madison has with Milwaukee.

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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2024, 10:38:02 AM »
I pondered it and have concluded that there is not enough data to make a real conclusion.

I lean toward coincidence, though.

I agree, I think the sample size is too small to draw any conclusions. Shaka's career win percentage is something like .670 over more than 500 games. I believe over the longer term, his win percentage against B10 opponents will normalize somewhat better than .500.

If one of the things we're most concerned about our program is our record against non-conference opponents while winning at a + .700 clip, I'll take it.

Bottom line is we all need to stop wasting time and get locked in to figure out why Shaka's record is so bad in secret scrimmages.
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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2024, 10:42:05 AM »
Those secret scrimmages sure have become a pesky issue, haven't they?

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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2024, 10:46:49 AM »
I agree, I think the sample size is too small to draw any conclusions. Shaka's career win percentage is something like .670 over more than 500 games. I believe over the longer term, his win percentage against B10 opponents will normalize somewhat better than .500.

If one of the things we're most concerned about our program is our record against non-conference opponents while winning at a + .700 clip, I'll take it.

Bottom line is we all need to stop wasting time and get locked in to figure out why Shaka's record is so bad in secret scrimmages.

Hey! We absolutely pasted Loyola a couple years ago and also beat Mizzou by a double digits per rumors.

Focus needs to be not making last year a trend. Can’t start bombing scrimmages. Personally I think Shaka saw the Juwan collapse coming and cooled on Michigan prep not taking them serious.
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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2024, 11:06:47 AM »
Hey! We absolutely pasted Loyola a couple years ago and also beat Mizzou by a double digits per rumors.

Focus needs to be not making last year a trend. Can’t start bombing scrimmages. Personally I think Shaka saw the Juwan collapse coming and cooled on Michigan prep not taking them serious.

Juwan has won 2 in a row against Madison. I think its safe to say Juwan owns Gard and Smart.

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« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2024, 12:17:28 PM »
I don't think a sample of 20 games across three schools is that small as you probably average 2 non con games against the same power conference a year that equates to a ten year sample of non con matches. I agree there's flaws as I stated before I'm unsure how many of the other conference matchups he was actually favored in.

In the grand scheme of things it's not a huge deal when we only play WI once a year but if that trend persists of losing over 70% of B1G matches I'd personally vote for maybe choosing the other power conferences or major programs for home and homes
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« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2024, 12:21:02 PM »
Yes, let's try to compete at the highest levels of the sport but duck the Big Ten.
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« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2024, 12:49:58 PM »
Yes, let's try to compete at the highest levels of the sport but duck the Big Ten.

Plus, the Big Ten is going to add 4-6 more schools shortly
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« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2024, 01:26:26 PM »
Send this to the new AD, he needs to see this.  We must avoid scheduling:

Big Ten - Shaka has a losing record against them except for Illinois, he beat them twice
SEC - Shaka has a winning record against them but if he loses twice it'll become a losing record and then we'll never be able to beat them
Big XII - Shaka couldn't compete in that conference when it wasn't even as good as it is now
ACC - The NC State loss looms too large, Notre Dame won't even play us anymore
PAC 12 - Doesn't exist
UConn - The gap is simply too large, growing
St Thomas - Still haven't recovered
UWM - Play it safe and continue to dodge the loss
Secret Scrimmages - A single loss will cost 2-3 seed lines minimum
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« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2024, 01:34:29 PM »
Send this to the new AD, he needs to see this.  We must avoid scheduling:

Big Ten - Shaka has a losing record against them except for Illinois, he beat them twice
SEC - Shaka has a winning record against them but if he loses twice it'll become a losing record and then we'll never be able to beat them
Big XII - Shaka couldn't compete in that conference when it wasn't even as good as it is now
ACC - The NC State loss looms too large, Notre Dame won't even play us anymore
PAC 12 - Doesn't exist
UConn - The gap is simply too large, growing
St Thomas - Still haven't recovered
UWM - Play it safe and continue to dodge the loss
Secret Scrimmages - A single loss will cost 2-3 seed lines minimum

Perfect.  No notes.
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« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2024, 01:41:16 PM »
Send this to the new AD, he needs to see this.  We must avoid scheduling:

Big Ten - Shaka has a losing record against them except for Illinois, he beat them twice
SEC - Shaka has a winning record against them but if he loses twice it'll become a losing record and then we'll never be able to beat them
Big XII - Shaka couldn't compete in that conference when it wasn't even as good as it is now
ACC - The NC State loss looms too large, Notre Dame won't even play us anymore
PAC 12 - Doesn't exist
UConn - The gap is simply too large, growing
St Thomas - Still haven't recovered
UWM - Play it safe and continue to dodge the loss
Secret Scrimmages - A single loss will cost 2-3 seed lines minimum

UWM in a secret scrimmage?

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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2024, 01:42:01 PM »
Send this to the new AD, he needs to see this.  We must avoid scheduling:

Big Ten - Shaka has a losing record against them except for Illinois, he beat them twice
SEC - Shaka has a winning record against them but if he loses twice it'll become a losing record and then we'll never be able to beat them
Big XII - Shaka couldn't compete in that conference when it wasn't even as good as it is now
ACC - The NC State loss looms too large, Notre Dame won't even play us anymore
PAC 12 - Doesn't exist
UConn - The gap is simply too large, growing
St Thomas - Still haven't recovered
UWM - Play it safe and continue to dodge the loss
Secret Scrimmages - A single loss will cost 2-3 seed lines minimum

Then we can complain about the schedule.
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« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2024, 01:45:42 PM »
Send this to the new AD, he needs to see this.  We must avoid scheduling:

Big Ten - Shaka has a losing record against them except for Illinois, he beat them twice
SEC - Shaka has a winning record against them but if he loses twice it'll become a losing record and then we'll never be able to beat them
Big XII - Shaka couldn't compete in that conference when it wasn't even as good as it is now
ACC - The NC State loss looms too large, Notre Dame won't even play us anymore
PAC 12 - Doesn't exist
UConn - The gap is simply too large, growing
St Thomas - Still haven't recovered
UWM - Play it safe and continue to dodge the loss
Secret Scrimmages - A single loss will cost 2-3 seed lines minimum

Reductio ad absurdum isnt a good look. I've not said anything about anything other than the B1G.

Do you know how many top boxers through history have gotten to the top by playing to their strengths? Canelo isn't avoiding fighting Benavidez because of poor TV potential compared to Mungia. It's because you can be great while being aware of mismatches or shortcomings on your own end.
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« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2024, 02:16:15 PM »
I don't know anything about boxing.  But you can tell me which fighters would be a mismatch for us and I'll put them on the list.
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« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2024, 02:26:07 PM »
Reductio ad absurdum isnt a good look. I've not said anything about anything other than the B1G.

Do you know how many top boxers through history have gotten to the top by playing to their strengths? Canelo isn't avoiding fighting Benavidez because of poor TV potential compared to Mungia. It's because you can be great while being aware of mismatches or shortcomings on your own end.

Calling his obvious exaggerations not "a good look," but then comparing it to boxing is...something.
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« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2024, 04:15:33 PM »
Maybe Shaka can ask Underwood if he’s willing to do a best-of-7 series every November. What with Illinois being the only Big18 team Shaka can beat.
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« Reply #43 on: May 18, 2024, 10:09:08 AM »
Send this to the new AD, he needs to see this.  We must avoid scheduling:

Big Ten - Shaka has a losing record against them except for Illinois, he beat them twice
SEC - Shaka has a winning record against them but if he loses twice it'll become a losing record and then we'll never be able to beat them
Big XII - Shaka couldn't compete in that conference when it wasn't even as good as it is now
ACC - The NC State loss looms too large, Notre Dame won't even play us anymore
PAC 12 - Doesn't exist
UConn - The gap is simply too large, growing
St Thomas - Still haven't recovered
UWM - Play it safe and continue to dodge the loss
Secret Scrimmages - A single loss will cost 2-3 seed lines minimum

With the Scoop collective intelligence, why do we even need an AD?


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Re: Home and Home with Maryland
« Reply #44 on: May 18, 2024, 01:04:46 PM »
And all of this is going to be worse when St Thomas moves to the Big10 in a few years.