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Quote from: tower912 on May 20, 2024, 02:29:54 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5503204/2024/05/19/bronny-james-nba-draft-combine-takeaways/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=9892193&userId=9672019

I like the line about Ben Gold possibly sitting in the same space a year from now.   

I haven't been to the site lately, but in the link, it was stated Tyler Kolek may have hurt his draft stock by not participating in the five-on-five games.  Does anyone have any intel on why?

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I have vicarious PTSD from Justin Lewis pulling out of the combine scrimmages. That memory makes it hard to feel like sitting out is ever the right decision for a non-lottery pick. I'm sure Kolek's decision was agent-driven. I hope they're right.

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Quote from: Tyler COLEk on May 20, 2024, 11:10:42 PM
I have vicarious PTSD from Justin Lewis pulling out of the combine scrimmages. That memory makes it hard to feel like sitting out is ever the right decision for a non-lottery pick. I'm sure Kolek's decision was agent-driven. I hope they're right.

I get it, but different situations. Justin had one breakout year. Tyler is a two-time All-American and won a BE POTY. He's a far more proven quantity at this point.

Its DJOver

Quote from: MUfan12 on May 21, 2024, 09:05:12 AM
I get it, but different situations. Justin had one breakout year. Tyler is a two-time All-American and won a BE POTY. He's a far more proven quantity at this point.

TKO is more accomplished collegiately sure, but I could sure see an argument that Justin was a better prospect post combine than TKO is right now. 
Quote from: nyg on May 13, 2024, 02:07:11 PM
I'll stick with my opinion on Gold.  He'll be in foul trouble within the first eight minutes.

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Quote from: Its DJOver on May 21, 2024, 09:46:15 AM
TKO is more accomplished collegiately sure, but I could sure see an argument that Justin was a better prospect post combine than TKO is right now.

Not sure about that. Tyler has some legit NBA level skills. His passing, vision, and shooting are all NBA level. I don't know that Justin was elite enough at any one thing to be a better prospect. Though I also would've liked to see TK play.
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Quote from: brewcity77 on May 21, 2024, 10:04:22 AM
Not sure about that. Tyler has some legit NBA level skills. His passing, vision, and shooting are all NBA level. I don't know that Justin was elite enough at any one thing to be a better prospect. Though I also would've liked to see TK play.

I agree with brew here. Tyler is way better at his role (PG) than Justin was in his. Really the biggest concerns with Tyler is his shooting (which he addressed at the combine and likely is why he didn't play) and his defense.

Justin was average athletically and not really elite at anything.
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Quote from: brewcity77 on May 21, 2024, 10:04:22 AM
Not sure about that. Tyler has some legit NBA level skills. His passing, vision, and shooting are all NBA level. I don't know that Justin was elite enough at any one thing to be a better prospect. Though I also would've liked to see TK play.

He's also well below average on many of the physical aspects of the game, 3 years older than Justin was, and in a a historically weak draft.  Justin was not elite at any specific skill, but had the dimensions where all it took was one team thinking they could develop his shot.

Love TKO, hope he can stick, but there's a reason that there's not a ton of below the rim players in the NBA.  Also, did not say that Justin was a better prospect, just that I can see an argument that he is.
Quote from: nyg on May 13, 2024, 02:07:11 PM
I'll stick with my opinion on Gold.  He'll be in foul trouble within the first eight minutes.

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Quote from: Its DJOver on May 21, 2024, 10:16:05 AM
He's also well below average on many of the physical aspects of the game, 3 years older than Justin was, and in a a historically weak draft.  Justin was not elite at any specific skill, but had the dimensions where all it took was one team thinking they could develop his shot.

Love TKO, hope he can stick, but there's a reason that there's not a ton of below the rim players in the NBA.  Also, did not say that Justin was a better prospect, just that I can see an argument that he is.

I think he'll stick, but could envision a scenario he doesn't. I don't think there is any chance he's in danger of falling out of the top 40. I expect him to go first round.

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Quote from: Its DJOver on May 21, 2024, 10:16:05 AM
He's also well below average on many of the physical aspects of the game, 3 years older than Justin was, and in a a historically weak draft.  Justin was not elite at any specific skill, but had the dimensions where all it took was one team thinking they could develop his shot.

Love TKO, hope he can stick, but there's a reason that there's not a ton of below the rim players in the NBA.  Also, did not say that Justin was a better prospect, just that I can see an argument that he is.

If there is any position that can be below the rim in the NBA, it would be at PG.


Quote from: BM1090 on May 21, 2024, 10:19:08 AM
I think he'll stick, but could envision a scenario he doesn't. I don't think there is any chance he's in danger of falling out of the top 40. I expect him to go first round.

Completely agree here.
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Quote from: BM1090 on May 21, 2024, 10:19:08 AM
I think he'll stick, but could envision a scenario he doesn't. I don't think there is any chance he's in danger of falling out of the top 40. I expect him to go first round.

Agreed, he'll get a shot, I just hope he can adjust to a game where everyone is bigger/faster/stronger on both ends of the court.
Quote from: nyg on May 13, 2024, 02:07:11 PM
I'll stick with my opinion on Gold.  He'll be in foul trouble within the first eight minutes.

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Quote from: romey on May 20, 2024, 07:38:10 PM
I haven't been to the site lately, but in the link, it was stated Tyler Kolek may have hurt his draft stock by not participating in the five-on-five games.  Does anyone have any intel on why?

Let's let him answer that in his own words:
Kolek opted out of the combine's five-on-five games, which can often look like disorganized pickup runs.

"We just thought that the brand of basketball that they play here isn't the style that I play," he said. "I'm getting people involved, I'm sharing the ball, playing the right way.

"It felt like a lot of guys are just trying to get their games off here. Not trying to play the right way. It wouldn't showcase what I can do the best of my ability."

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Well, Jeremy Lynn had some success in the NBA. Ty's play is similar to Lynn's IMHO, but you guys would know better than me.

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Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on May 21, 2024, 10:26:47 AM
Let's let him answer that in his own words:
Kolek opted out of the combine's five-on-five games, which can often look like disorganized pickup runs.

"We just thought that the brand of basketball that they play here isn't the style that I play," he said. "I'm getting people involved, I'm sharing the ball, playing the right way.

"It felt like a lot of guys are just trying to get their games off here. Not trying to play the right way. It wouldn't showcase what I can do the best of my ability."


Also, Tyler can't read so he didn't know what time the game was
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Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on May 21, 2024, 10:26:47 AM
Let's let him answer that in his own words:
Kolek opted out of the combine's five-on-five games, which can often look like disorganized pickup runs.

"We just thought that the brand of basketball that they play here isn't the style that I play," he said. "I'm getting people involved, I'm sharing the ball, playing the right way.

"It felt like a lot of guys are just trying to get their games off here. Not trying to play the right way. It wouldn't showcase what I can do the best of my ability."

Interesting marketing strategy.  Tyler can play that way if he wants.  We all know he can rack up the points.

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Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 21, 2024, 10:13:09 AM
Really the biggest concerns with Tyler is his shooting (which he addressed at the combine and likely is why he didn't play)

Wat. You don't really think teams were like, "welp, wasn't sure in his shooting, but after that 25-shot drill with no defender, it's clear we were wrong ball is hood over here!!" ?!?!
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Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on May 21, 2024, 10:26:47 AM
Let's let him answer that in his own words:
Kolek opted out of the combine's five-on-five games, which can often look like disorganized pickup runs.

"We just thought that the brand of basketball that they play here isn't the style that I play," he said. "I'm getting people involved, I'm sharing the ball, playing the right way.

"It felt like a lot of guys are just trying to get their games off here. Not trying to play the right way. It wouldn't showcase what I can do the best of my ability."


Talked to a friend who is a former NBA scout who was at the combine and asked about Kolek not playing. He said playing st the Combine only really helps players, it rarely hurts. His opinion was Kolek's draft status wasn't hurt by him not playing as scouts have seen him enough to know his game, he was a two time All American.
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Quote from: romey on May 20, 2024, 07:38:10 PM
I haven't been to the site lately, but in the link, it was stated Tyler Kolek may have hurt his draft stock by not participating in the five-on-five games.  Does anyone have any intel on why?

Tyler has a first round guarantee.
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Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 21, 2024, 09:14:48 PM
Talked to a friend who is a former NBA scout who was at the combine and asked about Kolek not playing. He said playing st the Combine only really helps players, it rarely hurts. His opinion was Kolek's draft status wasn't hurt by him not playing as scouts have seen him enough to know his game, he was a two time All American.

That statement kind of makes no sense, Noah fence. Thanks for the insider info though.

"Playing at the combine only really helps, rarely hurts"

"Koleks draft status wasn't hurt by him not playing"

I get the sentiment, but if the first part is true then the second part can't really be true.

If players are rarely hurt and only really helped by playing, then TyKo not playing at best didn't make his status worse, but more than likely or at worst affected the improvement of his status, or in other words hurt his status.

Unless he's going to the wolves in the top 15 to play the pick n roll with wemby, and his agent has a feeling or has been given the feeling that's the case, then huh?

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