NIL Future

[MUbiz]

The Friends of UNLV was giving away a chance at 100K for a halfcourt shot during at a basketball this season.

I agree with you lawdog - but the halfcourt shot was probably insured for pennies on the dollar by a specialty insurance company. There is a near zero chance they actually put up their own money.

I get hole in one insurance for a golf outing I am part of every year. Same concept.

[Uncle Rico]

...also 100%

Why?  Without one and a collectively bargained deal in place, you'll be sad a lot over mean players looking for market value and sitting out ☹️

[The Sultan]

You also don't get salary caps without a union.

[Hards Alumni]

Why?  Without one and a collectively bargained deal in place, you'll be sad a lot over mean players looking for market value and sitting out ☹️

He's just another temporarily embarrassed millionaire.

[Pakuni]

It's not some 17 year old kid. He, and his agent should know the rules. This is a 100% pay for play. He had a community engagment in the summer, in which he was paid.

Do you think Sluka thought the coach offered him 100K just to come to the school? The school is stating no formal offers for NIL were made.

My point is that it sounds like both sides were breaking the rules.

Oh, and people really like lawyers when they need one. Just like dentists.

You have to either willfully ignore what the Slukas and their reps are saying or believe them liars to argue this was "100% pay for play."

According to Sluka's father, UNLV OC Brennan Marion directly offered him NIL payments, but was told at the time to work through his agent. The agent says Marion then offered the same, but because Sluka was still enrolled/finishing his degree at Holy Cross, he could not yet sign a contract with the collective. When he arrived in campus in August and asked for what was promised, the school and collective essentially ghosted them.

If you want to argue that Sluka and his reps were unwise and/or naive to show up on campus and begin playing without the written deal, that's fair. But that doesn't change the fact that, at least according to their account, they were lied to. Promises of NIL money - not "pay for play" - were made and those promises were not fulfilled. When the Slukas tried for weeks to address the situation, they were given the runaround. And that's on UNLV and the program, not Sluka.

https://apnews.com/article/unlv-sluka-59449174adffe0940266427158d964d3

[lawdog77]

You have to either willfully ignore what the Slukas and their reps are saying or believe them liars to argue this was "100% pay for play."

According to Sluka's father, UNLV OC Brennan Marion directly offered him NIL payments, but was told at the time to work through his agent. The agent says Marion then offered the same, but because Sluka was still enrolled/finishing his degree at Holy Cross, he could not yet sign a contract with the collective. When he arrived in campus in August and asked for what was promised, the school and collective essentially ghosted them.

If you want to argue that Sluka and his reps were unwise and/or naive to show up on campus and begin playing without the written deal, that's fair. But that doesn't change the fact that, at least according to their account, they were lied to. Promises of NIL money - not "pay for play" - were made and those promises were not fulfilled. When the Slukas tried for weeks to address the situation, they were given the runaround. And that's on UNLV and the program, not Sluka.

https://apnews.com/article/unlv-sluka-59449174adffe0940266427158d964d3

It's malpractice by Cromartie. Unless I am missing there, nowhere in that article does it state that Cromartie and the Collective had a deal for 100K. Sluka received his degree in May, so he could have enrolled after that, but didn't join the team until August.

How'd that call from Cromartie to the collective go?In  June, July, or August?
Cromartie: Hey collective, the OC offered my guy 100K? What does he have to do to earn that 100K? (it is Vegas after all)

Looks like he did not even mention the 100K
If he did, the collective would have said: We don't pay until he is enrolled. You better enroll your guy. You need to get licensed as well, since we cannot deal with you until then. Once you are licensed, we can go over what sort of service agreements we can line up.

So, was the 100K directly offered to Sluka? No. Just NIL payments, or did the OC and Cromartie have a talk , basically amounting to puffery.

[Pakuni]

It's malpractice by Cromartie. Unless I am missing there, nowhere in that article does it state that Cromartie and the Collective had a deal for 100K.

You seem really hung up on something that's ultimately irrelevant. Maybe it was malpractice by Cromartie. That doesn't mitigate the wrongdoing here by the UNLV program.
The person who falls for the Nigerian prince scam is a dope. That victim's dopiness doesn't exonerate the scammers, though.
Your argument here is that the burglar is innocent because the homeowner should have known to lock the doors.

[lawdog77]

You seem really hung up on something that's ultimately irrelevant. Maybe it was malpractice by Cromartie. That doesn't mitigate the wrongdoing here by the UNLV program.
The person who falls for the Nigerian prince scam is a dope. That victim's dopiness doesn't exonerate the scammers, though.
Your argument here is that the burglar is innocent because the homeowner should have known to lock the doors.

I would argue that is the most relevant piece. If the school tells the agent to deal with the collective, and the collective tells the agent two things-get enrolled in school, and get licensed, but the agent doesn't do one, and the other waits until August?

Seems to me the conversation probably went like this:
Cromartie: on the recruiting visit, you mentioned NIL's, how much can you get my guy
OC: Oh, we could probably get your guy about 100K in deals, but you have to deal with the collective
Cromartie talks to the collective and fails to even qualify to have a conversation with them

See if Sluka gets enrolled in June, and his agent gets licensed then. The details about how much in NIL is there can be ironed out well before the season.  Did the agen tell Sluka he needs to be enrolled before the collective will set up deals? If not, that's malpractice. If so, part of the blame does fall on Sluka.

[withoutbias]

Yeah.  I'm sure no student athletes know what they should expect to make in NIL deals from a collective until they're enrolled at that schol. 

[The Sultan]

I would argue that is the most relevant piece. If the school tells the agent to deal with the collective, and the collective tells the agent two things-get enrolled in school, and get licensed, but the agent doesn't do one, and the other waits until August?

Seems to me the conversation probably went like this:
Cromartie: on the recruiting visit, you mentioned NIL's, how much can you get my guy
OC: Oh, we could probably get your guy about 100K in deals, but you have to deal with the collective
Cromartie talks to the collective and fails to even qualify to have a conversation with them

See if Sluka gets enrolled in June, and his agent gets licensed then. The details about how much in NIL is there can be ironed out well before the season.  Did the agen tell Sluka he needs to be enrolled before the collective will set up deals? If not, that's malpractice. If so, part of the blame does fall on Sluka.

Imagine your defense being "the agent wasn't registered." 😂😂😂

Seriously do you really think that's the problem here?

[lawdog77]

Imagine your defense being "the agent wasn't registered." 😂😂😂

Seriously do you really think that's the problem here?

That is a problem. They cannot talk to an unlicensed agent under NCAA rules. So tell me:
Why did Sluka wait until August to show up?

Imagine your defense is:
A coach told me I was going to get 100K from the NIL, but I did not follow up on how, when, or what I had to do to make sure I did not run afoul of state law and NCAA bylaws/

[Pakuni]

That is a problem. They cannot talk to an unlicensed agent under NCAA rules. So tell me:
Why did Sluka wait until August to show up?

Imagine your defense is:
A coach told me I was going to get 100K from the NIL, but I did not follow up on how, when, or what I had to do to make sure I did not run afoul of state law and NCAA bylaws/

Imagine thinking Sluka needs a defense.

That said, according to the Slukas' account, they followed up several times.

[The Sultan]

Imagine thinking Sluka needs a defense.

That said, according to the Slukas' account, they followed up several times.

Right. I far as I can tell, the response was never "we have the money you were promised right here, but you're agent isn't licensed."

[lawdog77]

Imagine thinking Sluka needs a defense.

That said, according to the Slukas' account, they followed up several times.

The collective is stating they did not hear from Sluka's agent until August. He agreed to go to UNLV in January, and he graduated in May.

So if someone tells you, we have some NIL $ available, the OC allegedly told the agent it would be around 100K, but you have to go through the collective.

If its me, I get something in writing back in January, or find another school that will get me that. So yeah, the Sluka's are partially at fault.

[Pakuni]

The collective is stating they did not hear from Sluka's agent until August. He agreed to go to UNLV in January, and he graduated in May.

So if someone tells you, we have some NIL $ available, the OC allegedly told the agent it would be around 100K, but you have to go through the collective.

If its me, I get something in writing back in January, or find another school that will get me that. So yeah, the Sluka's are partially at fault.

To the extent that they trusted a college football coach, yes, they are at fault
But once more, that doesn't mitigate or excuse the actions of UNLV like you seem to think it does. This isn't some kind of personal injury case where we need to apportion liability.

[lawdog77]

To the extent that they trusted a college football coach, yes, they are at fault
But once more, that doesn't mitigate or excuse the actions of UNLV like you seem to think it does.

Where did I say UNLV isn't at fault? I have specifically said both sides are shady. Again, Sluka's side was told to go through the collective back in December/January. So either Cromartie did not relay that to the family, and instead just told them it would be 100K (which is extremely bad business) or they are conveniently leaving out facts not good for their side. The collective basically told Cromartie to get your stuff in order before we can attempt any deals. Sounds like the collective is actually the one side that is not at fault.

Again, even if the coach does say I can get you 100K. What would you ask? Who, what, where, when, How? If he thought he would just get a nice bag of 100K in small bills, when he showed up min August, he's pretty G-D stupid, and a criminal.

[The Sultan]

Where did I say UNLV isn't at fault? I have specifically said both sides are shady. Again, Sluka's side was told to go through the collective back in December/January. So either Cromartie did not relay that to the family, and instead just told them it would be 100K (which is extremely bad business) or they are conveniently leaving out facts not good for their side. The collective basically told Cromartie to get your stuff in order before we can attempt any deals. Sounds like the collective is actually the one side that is not at fault.

Again, even if the coach does say I can get you 100K. What would you ask? Who, what, where, when, How? If he thought he would just get a nice bag of 100K in small bills, when he showed up min August, he's pretty G-D stupid, and a criminal.

Pretty sure he thought he was going to get it from the collective.

[lawdog77]

Pretty sure he thought he was going to get it from the collective.

So he knew the who, what about the when, how, where, and what did he have to do to get it?

[lawdog77]

Yeah.  I'm sure no student athletes know what they should expect to make in NIL deals from a collective until they're enrolled at that schol. 

Correction on this point. The rules changed in April, so you do not need to be enrolled in school to sign a deal with the collective.

[The Sultan]

So he knew the who, what about the when, how, where, and what did he have to do to get it?

He probably thought he just had to show up because a coach verbally promised to him. He apparently followed up repeatedly with the coaching staff.

[lawdog77]

He probably thought he just had to show up because a coach verbally promised to him. He apparently followed up repeatedly with the coaching staff.

That would be pay for play.

[The Sultan]

That would be pay for play.

Uh....no kidding. What do you think is happening out there?

[lawdog77]

Uh....no kidding. What do you think is happening out there?

That is against Nevada law, something Sluka and his agent should know. Once again, both sides are shady, so nobody should feel sorry for either side.

[lawdog77]

He probably thought he just had to show up because a coach verbally promised to him. He apparently followed up repeatedly with the coaching staff.

What I have read, there was radio silence from January until August

[The Sultan]

That is against Nevada law, something Sluka and his agent should know.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Either you are insanely naive or insanely dumb.