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muwarrior69

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2024, 01:03:26 PM
What agenda?  Players have been under compensated for a century and college athletics haven't been anything close to amateur near as long?  Not in this case.

In this case, universities are beginning to understand they could have avoided all this decades ago but buried their heads in the sand.  In doing so, it's the consumer that will have to help pay for their malfeasance

Really? Jim Chones signing bonus was a million dollars and he didn't pay a penny to attend school. Most MU graduates were lucky to start at 10k to 15k at the time and had to pay some if not all their tuition.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 21, 2024, 06:15:42 AM
Really? Jim Chones signing bonus was a million dollars and he didn't pay a penny to attend school. Most MU graduates were lucky to start at 10k to 15k at the time and had to pay some if not all their tuition.

Those grads should have been better at sports
Guster is for Lovers

The Sultan

Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 21, 2024, 06:15:42 AM
Really? Jim Chones signing bonus was a million dollars and he didn't pay a penny to attend school. Most MU graduates were lucky to start at 10k to 15k at the time and had to pay some if not all their tuition.

The market says they're under-compensated. That is why they're making more money now. Simple economics.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

The Sultan

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 21, 2024, 06:56:30 AM
The market says they're under-compensated. That is why they're making more money now. Simple economics.

It's interesting how the old-timers long for the days of when the kids played for the name on the front of the jersey when the coach of that era was legendary for fighting the NCAA and would almost certainly be all for what is happening today with athletes being compensated
Guster is for Lovers

The Sultan

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 21, 2024, 07:15:34 AM
It's interesting how the old-timers long for the days of when the kids played for the name on the front of the jersey when the coach of that era was legendary for fighting the NCAA and would almost certainly be all for what is happening today with athletes being compensated

You mean the coach who left because he felt under-compensated?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

tower912

The coach who told his star player to take the money and run.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

lawdog77

Quote from: tower912 on September 21, 2024, 07:51:28 AM
The coach who told his star player to take the money and run.
Great, now I have the Steve Miller song playing in my head all day.

This here's a story about Jimmy Chones and Bobby , too
Two young players, with nothin better to do...........

tower912

Whoo-hoo-hoo



Ooooooh, lorrrrd.....
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Avenue Commons

Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 07, 2024, 06:29:42 PM
NIL is the ruination of college athletics, as we know it. The rich will get richer..., hey?

It will be very difficult for schools like Marquette and fellow Big East teams to compete for the best recruits when going up against the University of Texases of the world. Not to mention Stanford and any other uber rich school. Who knows if Ivies will get in on it, but they sure could.
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wadesworld

Quote from: Avenue Commons on September 23, 2024, 01:28:49 PM
It will be very difficult for schools like Marquette and fellow Big East teams to compete for the best recruits when going up against the University of Texases of the world. Not to mention Stanford and any other uber rich school. Who knows if Ivies will get in on it, but they sure could.

So...just like things have always been?

MUbiz

Quote from: wadesworld on September 23, 2024, 02:39:59 PM
So...just like things have always been?

Correct. And those big schools generally spend on football primarily with basketball being a second thought.

Avenue Commons

Quote from: wadesworld on September 23, 2024, 02:39:59 PM
So...just like things have always been?

You only need 5 in basketball....an extra $5M (1 million to each of 5 guys) could change a program.

Higher revenue schools can do this more.
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The Sultan

Quote from: Avenue Commons on September 23, 2024, 03:00:05 PM
You only need 5 in basketball....an extra $5M (1 million to each of 5 guys) could change a program.

Higher revenue schools can do this more.

Then why aren't they?

The answer is because those high revenue schools have to worry about football because that is what drives more donor interest. And "high revenue" doesn't mean "limitless revenue."
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Tyler COLEk

It's amazing to me that so many MU fans can't internalize that we're a very high spending program. Any time funding creates a competitive advantage, that's good for us. Higher NIL is good for us.

SaveOD238

Quote from: Tyler COLEk on September 23, 2024, 09:15:49 PM
It's amazing to me that so many MU fans can't internalize that we're a very high spending program. Any time funding creates a competitive advantage, that's good for us. Higher NIL is good for us.

It's probably because so many of us are also Brewers and Packers fans, so we're used to being a small market team that doesn't spend.

The Sultan

Quote from: SaveOD238 on September 23, 2024, 09:25:11 PM
It's probably because so many of us are also Brewers and Packers fans, so we're used to being a small market team that doesn't spend.


The Packers don't spend???
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Nukem2

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 24, 2024, 03:47:15 AM

The Packers don't spend???
Yeah, Jordan Love is a pauper these days......

Shooter McGavin

Are there any scoop legal minds out there who can help with a couple questions.  How many years can you go back to sue your school, conference and NCAA for reparations?  I saw Bush was doing this and was just curious.  Could all living Heisman winners do this and have legal standing?  Will the 1983 NC State team win their case?

I can't imagine these guys haven't gotten some benefits from their respective communities after graduation.  Better job opportunities, free meals, court side seats, sky boxes, etc. But how much is hard to tally.  How much is enough? How would the courts figure this out?





Billy Hoyle

#119
something that will become more common: players quitting on their team over NIL. UNLV's starting QB is bailing despite the Rebels being in a legit position for a playoff berth (rumors are the Holy Cross transfer got offered more somewhere else). At least Kadary Richmond came back to the Seton Hall team after demanding more NIL during the season:

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2024/sep/24/unlv-starting-quarterback-matthew-sluka-leaving-te/

In his post announcing his departure from UNLV, Sluka alluded to issues with NIL payments as the reason for his exit.

"I committed to UNLV based on certain representations that were made to me, which were not upheld after I enrolled," he wrote. "Despite discussions, it became clear that these commitments would not be fulfilled in the future."
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

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Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 25, 2024, 07:45:04 AM
something that will become more common: players quitting on their team over NIL. UNLV's starting QB is bailing despite the Rebels being in a legit position for a playoff berth (rumors are the Holy Cross transfer got offered more somewhere else). At least Kadary Richmond came back to the Seton Hall team after demanding more NIL during the season:

If your value proposition to a player is money and you don't pay them...

Said a different way if my company didn't send me a paycheck for a month, I probably wouldn't be accused of quitting.


Its DJOver

Don't lie to players then.  If I accepted a job offer and then the pay was less than I was told, I would quit too.  Bad look for UNLV (If this is in fact the case).
Scoop motto:
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 06, 2025, 06:04:29 PMthe stats bear that out, but

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 25, 2024, 07:45:04 AM
something that will become more common: players quitting on their team over NIL. UNLV's starting QB is bailing despite the Rebels being in a legit position for a playoff berth (rumors are the Holy Cross transfer got offered more somewhere else). At least Kadary Richmond came back to the Seton Hall team after demanding more NIL during the season:

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2024/sep/24/unlv-starting-quarterback-matthew-sluka-leaving-te/

In his post announcing his departure from UNLV, Sluka alluded to issues with NIL payments as the reason for his exit.

"I committed to UNLV based on certain representations that were made to me, which were not upheld after I enrolled," he wrote. "Despite discussions, it became clear that these commitments would not be fulfilled in the future."


UNLV learning a hard lesson, boosters and collectives need to fulfill their promises.  Smart of the kid to use his redshirt.  That Holy Cross degree paid off
Guster is for Lovers

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 25, 2024, 07:45:04 AM
something that will become more common: players quitting on their team over NIL. UNLV's starting QB is bailing despite the Rebels being in a legit position for a playoff berth (rumors are the Holy Cross transfer got offered more somewhere else). At least Kadary Richmond came back to the Seton Hall team after demanding more NIL during the season:

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2024/sep/24/unlv-starting-quarterback-matthew-sluka-leaving-te/

In his post announcing his departure from UNLV, Sluka alluded to issues with NIL payments as the reason for his exit.

"I committed to UNLV based on certain representations that were made to me, which were not upheld after I enrolled," he wrote. "Despite discussions, it became clear that these commitments would not be fulfilled in the future."


So the school agreed to pay him and then didn't and you think he's the bad guy?
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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Billy Hoyle

#124
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 25, 2024, 08:14:48 AM
So the school agreed to pay him and then didn't and you think he's the bad guy?

they paid him and reportedly another school came in and told him they'd give him more to quit now and transfer. These kids are coached on what to say in public. Also reports that it's like Richmond where he was getting what he agreed to then demanded more (UNLV had a bye week last weekend). If either of those are accurate then, yes, he's the bad guy for quitting on his teammates.

https://x.com/PalomaFOX5News/status/1838802285423718419?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1838802285423718419%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
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