IDF targets and kills food aid workers

[4everwarriors]

Wrong, could not be any worst than what we're stuck with for now, aina?

[Heisenberg]

I should have said that protests on campus can only include current students and employees of the college. So we wouldn't allow the KKK to hold a rally here if it included non-College people.

But if we have a KKK student group, and it was limited to those students and staff, they could do that sure.

So, was this wrong? And if it was not, should we expect several hundred such charges for all those involved in these protests who are effectively doing the same thing as "Unite the Right?"

And if any of your students protest, should they be subject to Federal Hate crime charges as well?

(To be clear, this is about being charged with a Federal Hate crime, not Trespassing, Manslaughter or Vehicular Homicide)

Ohio Man Sentenced to Life in Prison for Federal Hate Crimes Related to August 2017 Car Attack at Rally in Charlottesville, Virginia
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ohio-man-sentenced-life-prison-federal-hate-crimes-related-august-2017-car-attack-rally

"Hatred and bigotry have no place in our nation. Violent actions inspired by such warped thinking are a disgrace to our people and our values, and the Department of Justice will not tolerate such depraved acts," said Assistant Attorney General Eric Dreiband. "Prosecuting hate crimes and acts of domestic terrorism continues to be a top priority for the Department of Justice. Anyone who commits a crime motivated by hatred for the race, color, religion, national origin or other protected trait of any person should be on notice: the United States government will use its enormous power to bring perpetrators to justice, and we will continue to do so for as long as it takes to rid our nation of these vile and monstrous crimes."

"On August 12, 2017, this defendant committed a hate-inspired act of domestic terrorism that killed 32-year-old Heather Heyer and injured over 30 peaceful protesters," U.S. Attorney Thomas T. Cullen stated. "We believe that his life sentence furthers the Department of Justice's substantial interest in prosecuting hate crimes and protecting the civil rights of all Americans. We are grateful for the dedication and hard work of the FBI and the Virginia State Police in investigating this matter and bringing the defendant to justice."

"Hate crimes are not just an attack on the victim: they are also meant to threaten and intimidate an entire community," said Special Agent in Charge David Archey of the FBI's Richmond Division. "This is also a case of domestic terrorism, and we must send a message that terrorism and hatred-inspired violence have no place in our communities. The FBI will continue to work with our law enforcement partners to ensure Virginia's citizens do not fall victim to violence because of hateful ideologies or intolerance of others. The FBI is grateful to the Office of the United States Attorney, the Virginia State Police, the Charlottesville Police Department, and to all the members of the public who assisted in this investigation."

[The Sultan]

Federal hate crimes require that there be some type of violent act. People aren't prosecuted for hate crimes based on engaging in a peaceful protest.

https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/learn-about-hate-crimes

"The "crime" in hate crime is often a violent crime, such as assault, murder, arson, vandalism, or threats to commit such crimes. It may also cover conspiring or asking another person to commit such crimes, even if the crime was never carried out.

Under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, people cannot be prosecuted simply for their beliefs. People may be offended or upset about beliefs that are untrue or based upon false stereotypes, but it is not a crime to express offensive beliefs, or to join with others who share such views. However, the First Amendment does not protect against committing a crime, just because the conduct is rooted in philosophical beliefs."

[Uncle Rico]

Wrong, could not be any worst than what we're stuck with for now, aina?

So, you don't believe in law and order?  Interesting.  I'd probably get rid of the police scanner then.

[Pakuni]

So, was this wrong? And if it was not, should we expect several hundred such charges for all those involved in these protests who are effectively doing the same thing as "Unite the Right?"

And if any of your students protest, should they be subject to Federal Hate crime charges as well?

(To be clear, this is about being charged with a Federal Hate crime, not Trespassing, Manslaughter or Vehicular Homicide)

Ohio Man Sentenced to Life in Prison for Federal Hate Crimes Related to August 2017 Car Attack at Rally in Charlottesville, Virginia
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ohio-man-sentenced-life-prison-federal-hate-crimes-related-august-2017-car-attack-rally

All hate crime prosecutions must have a basis in some other criminal act. So, you can't talk about a hate crime without also talking about the underlying criminal offense. Hate crime charges are, for all intents, an enhancement of the underlying crime.
In this case, this guy was prosecuted for a hate crime and sentenced to life in prison because he killed someone. The motivation (the hate) cannot be separated from the underlying act (the killing), even for the sake of a silly argument in which one attempts to compare murder to saying something offensive.

[Heisenberg]

All hate crime prosecutions must have a basis in some other criminal act. So, you can't talk about a hate crime without also talking about the underlying criminal offense. Hate crime charges are, for all intents, an enhancement of the underlying crime.
In this case, this guy was prosecuted for a hate crime and sentenced to life in prison because he killed someone. The motivation (the hate) cannot be separated from the underlying act (the killing), even for the sake of a silly argument in which one attempts to compare murder to saying something offensive.

Federal hate crimes require that there be some type of violent act. People aren't prosecuted for hate crimes based on engaging in a peaceful protest.

https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/learn-about-hate-crimes

"The "crime" in hate crime is often a violent crime, such as assault, murder, arson, vandalism, or threats to commit such crimes. It may also cover conspiring or asking another person to commit such crimes, even if the crime was never carried out.

Under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, people cannot be prosecuted simply for their beliefs. People may be offended or upset about beliefs that are untrue or based upon false stereotypes, but it is not a crime to express offensive beliefs, or to join with others who share such views. However, the First Amendment does not protect against committing a crime, just because the conduct is rooted in philosophical beliefs."

They have assaulted hundreds of Jewish students. They have committed battery against dozens of Jewish Students.

At least everyone protesting at UCLA and the Ivies can be charged under these standards

[4everwarriors]

Never was a fan of BO, hey?

[rocket surgeon]

How was Charlottesville crushed, exactly?

Last I checked, the occupant of the White House hasn't called the Columbia protestors very fine people.

if you are trying to quote previous potus, get it right!

  "very fine people on both sides."

so tell me how this is much different from-

"I condemn the antisemitic protests," the president told reporters en route back from a speech he had delivered to commemorate Earth Day. "That's why I have set up a program to deal with that. I also condemn those who don't understand what's going on with the Palestinians."

[Pakuni]

if you are trying to quote previous potus, get it right!

  "very fine people on both sides."

so tell me how this is much different from-

"I condemn the antisemitic protests," the president told reporters en route back from a speech he had delivered to commemorate Earth Day. "That's why I have set up a program to deal with that. I also condemn those who don't understand what's going on with the Palestinians."

Well, you see, one guy is condemning antisemitism while the other guy called anti-semites "very fine people."
Seems kinda obvious, aina?

[Uncle Rico]

if you are trying to quote previous potus, get it right!

  "very fine people on both sides."

so tell me how this is much different from-

"I condemn the antisemitic protests," the president told reporters en route back from a speech he had delivered to commemorate Earth Day. "That's why I have set up a program to deal with that. I also condemn those who don't understand what's going on with the Palestinians."

Dental school flashing its pedigree once again

[Pakuni]

They have assaulted hundreds of Jewish students. They have committed battery against dozens of Jewish Students.

At least everyone protesting at UCLA and the Ivies can be charged under these standards

Could you provide some info on the "hundreds" of Jewish students that have been assaulted and "dozens" who have been batterered at these protests? Where? When? By whom?
(and remember ... "hundreds" and "dozens")
And no, you cannot prosecute every person at a protest if one person or some people at the protest committed a crime. By that incredibly dumb logic, every Charlottesville Nazi should have been charged with murder.

But to be clear, if there's evidence a protester assaulted anyone, that person should be arrested, charged and prosecuted. If there's evidence that crime was motivated by hate, that person should be charged with a hate crime.

[4everwarriors]

Well, you see, one guy is condemning antisemitism while the other guy called anti-semites "very fine people."
Seems kinda obvious, aina?

Actions are more telling than words. BOTUS tries to straddle the barb wire fence for vote. End result is he pisses off both sides, hey?

[4everwarriors]

This is how a POTUS should preside, aina?


https://youtu.be/P686hp6tLp0?si=9d-8EOps8hPHVVHg

[JWags85]

Could you provide some info on the "hundreds" of Jewish students that have been assaulted and "dozens" who have been batterered at these protests? Where? When? By whom?
(and remember ... "hundreds" and "dozens")

Certainly not supporting absurd hyperbole but if he's using the liberal definition of "assault" including verbal assault then totally think that's fair cause some of these attention starved protesters are absurd and unhinged.  But if he's meaning hundreds of Jewish students have been physically assaulted, then I agree that's likely not based in truth or reality

[Pakuni]

Certainly not supporting absurd hyperbole but if he's using the liberal definition of "assault" including verbal assault then totally think that's fair cause some of these attention starved protesters are absurd and unhinged.  But if he's meaning hundreds of Jewish students have been physically assaulted, then I agree that's likely not based in truth or reality

I was working off the logical conclusion he meant assault in the legal sense, given that he was saying people should be charged and prosecuted.

[Pakuni]

This is how a POTUS should preside, aina?


https://youtu.be/P686hp6tLp0?si=9d-8EOps8hPHVVHg

Yes, Biden should threaten to expel students from all the colleges run by the federal government.
Brilliant.

[4everwarriors]

Well, if the lily-lived governors of NY, CA, et al won't, where's the National Guard, hey?

[Uncle Rico]

Well, if the lily-lived governors of NY, CA, et al won't, where's the National Guard, hey?

Too bad the RNC is run by the Trump Crime Family.  Instead, Desanctimonious is on the path to Scott Walker-dom

[MUBurrow]

Well, if the lily-lived governors of NY, CA, et al won't, where's the National Guard, hey?

At home with their families and at their day jobs unless and until there is real work to be done.

[4everwarriors]

Doubt it. Lotsa golf yet to be played, hey?

[Uncle Rico]

Doubt it. Lotsa golf yet to be played, hey?

No, it's over.  He'll kiss the foot of the party dictator and then be discarded again

Also, his schtick doesn't sell outside Florida

[Lennys Tap]

Like a lot of people, you need to be online less.

You advising anyone else to spend less time online is Larkin to Jeffrey Epstein advising someone to spend less time with under aged women.

[4everwarriors]

Where does da Buffoon's schtick play well, hey?

[The Sultan]

They have assaulted hundreds of Jewish students. They have committed battery against dozens of Jewish Students.

You just shifted the goalposts again. A couple months away and you still can't figure out how to be logically consistent. 

[Pakuni]

Also, his schtick doesn't sell outside Florida

Yep. DeSantis' base is old people who see him as a bulwark against the social, cultural and demographic change that frightens them. He polled way better amongst the 55 and up crowd than younger voters who aren't afraid of books and gay cartoon characters.