NC State

[StillAWarrior]

Lampkin was a good warm up for Burns.

I was thinking the same thing. Interesting that MU would face those two back to back. I was looking at their respective stats earlier today.

Lampkin was 10.6 ppg (0.579)/7.0 rpg (2.5/4.5)/2.2 apg/5 blocks/12 steal/1 DQ
Burns was 11.6 ppg (0.465)/3.3 rpg (1.25/2.05)/2.5 apg/12 blocks/7 steals/2 DQ

They are more similar than I expected. The "eye test" was that Burns is a lot more talented. The stats didn't really back that up. They're fairly comparable (although Burns has presumably played against better competition). Hopefully some of the preparation for Lampkin will be transferrable.

[muwarrior69]

I was thinking the same thing. Interesting that MU would face those two back to back. I was looking at their respective stats earlier today.

Lampkin was 10.6 ppg (0.579)/7.0 rpg (2.5/4.5)/2.2 apg/5 blocks/12 steal/1 DQ
Burns was 11.6 ppg (0.465)/3.3 rpg (1.25/2.05)/2.5 apg/12 blocks/7 steals/2 DQ

They are more similar than I expected. The "eye test" was that Burns is a lot more talented. The stats didn't really back that up. They're fairly comparable (although Burns has presumably played against better competition). Hopefully some of the preparation for Lampkin will be transferrable.

Lampkin scored 13 against us which means Burns will score 14 if it is transferable.

[StillAWarrior]

Lampkin scored 13 against us which means Burns will score 14 if it is transferable.

Or maybe, having already prepared for Lampkin, they'll be better prepared and Burns will only score 8.

[willie warrior]

The Athletic did a re-seeding of the Sweet 16 teams.

Marquette comes in at #7 behind UConn, Purdue, Houston, UNC, Arizona and Tennessee.
Creighton is #11.

NC State? #16.

only two they should be behind are Purdue and UConn.

[tower912]

I just wish MU had faced decent, or at least physical, centers prior to this game.

Edey, Clingan, Kalkbrenner, Soriano, Oduro, Dixon, Dickinson, Dainja, Sanogo (last season, same Oso)

Someone, anyone, who might help MU prepare. If only.  Alas.

[Pakuni]

I just wish MU had faced decent, or at least physical, centers prior to this game.

Edey, Clingan, Kalkbrenner, Soriano, Oduro, Dixon, Dickinson, Dainja, Sanogo (last season, same Oso)

Someone, anyone, who might help MU prepare. If only.  Alas.

Dainja barely played against MU, but there was Adem Bona.
And shame on you for leaving out Steven Crowl.

[tower912]

Shame on me.  Of course, 6 of MU's losses were to teams with Edey, Clingan, Kalkbrenner, and Oduro. 7 if you add in Crowl.

[MuggsyB]

There's a picture of DJ Burns (covers half the page) and an article on NC State in the WSJ.  Is this supposed to scare me?

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

There's a picture of DJ Burns (covers half the page) and an article on NC State in the WSJ.  Is this supposed to scare me?

Wall Street Journal — knower of ball

[Uncle Rico]

There's a picture of DJ Burns (covers half the page) and an article on NC State in the WSJ.  Is this supposed to scare me?

Why would it scare you?

[StillAWarrior]

I just wish MU had faced decent, or at least physical, centers prior to this game.

Edey, Clingan, Kalkbrenner, Soriano, Oduro, Dixon, Dickinson, Dainja, Sanogo (last season, same Oso)

Someone, anyone, who might help MU prepare. If only.  Alas.

Yeah...that's fair. lol

[BM1090]

only two they should be behind are Purdue and UConn.

I would add Houston and say MU is 4th.

But I am struggling to reconcile that you believe this but also seem to believe that our players suck.

[Uncle Rico]

I would add Houston and say MU is 4th.

But I am struggling to reconcile that you believe this but also seem to believe that our players suck.

Well he's a front runner and really, the worst kind of fan.  People like him should get none of the spoils

[The Sultan]

He's not even a front runner. He's just a grump.

[MuggsyB]

Well he's a front runner and really, the worst kind of fan.  People like him should get none of the spoils

You're right.  I could take him out.....   although he outweighs me by probably 200 lbs.  Maybe I would just run. 

[Skatastrophy]

Well he's a front runner and really, the worst kind of fan.  People like him should get none of the spoils

I can't wait for the spoils

[MUMountin]

NC State has been hot in March. 

7 game winning streak, Syracuse, Duke, Virginia, North Carolina, Texas Tech.   No slouches.  Over the past 25 days, they're a top 25 team, easy.

https://barttorvik.com/trank.php?year=2024&sort=&t1l=Marquette&t2l=North+Carolina+St.&hteam=&t2value=&conlimit=All&state=All&begin=20240301&end=20240501&top=0&revquad=0&quad=4&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0

(admittedly, MU's t-rank is low due to Kolek not playing in many March games..)

Yeah, top 25 since the start of (the major) conference tourneys, which isn't that surprising given their run.  Their offense has been top 20 over that stretch after being #65 before then, so they clearly have made improvements on that end.  That said, their defense has not seemed to improved much--they were #100 before the conference tourneys, and only #83 since then.  So, I'd say that we should be ready for some improved offense, but defensively they've been fairly consistent and not very impressive. 

They don't turn teams over, so hopefully we can avoid some of the unforced errors (yips?) we showed against CU.

Ed:  I posted this before seeing CS's excellent analysis which goes into much greater detail.

[pbiflyer]

I was thinking the same thing. Interesting that MU would face those two back to back. I was looking at their respective stats earlier today.

Lampkin was 10.6 ppg (0.579)/7.0 rpg (2.5/4.5)/2.2 apg/5 blocks/12 steal/1 DQ
Burns was 11.6 ppg (0.465)/3.3 rpg (1.25/2.05)/2.5 apg/12 blocks/7 steals/2 DQ

They are more similar than I expected. The "eye test" was that Burns is a lot more talented. The stats didn't really back that up. They're fairly comparable (although Burns has presumably played against better competition). Hopefully some of the preparation for Lampkin will be transferrable.

You didn't do MPG. Burns averaged a lot less during the season. But in their string of victories has played about 10 minutes more a game. They switched to a two big line for the run.

[Jay Bee]

Very different guys
Lampkin... 107 ORtg, 22% Poss, 19% %Shots, 57.9% efG% (all 2's), 12% OR% 18% DR, 14.5% asst, 24.3% TO (!!), 0.5 blk, 0.7 stl, 3.1 FC/40, 43.2% ft rate

Burns... 108 ORtg, 28% Poss, 29% %Shots, 52.9% eFG% (53.1% on 2's, only 5 3FGAs), 6% OR%, 13% DR%, ast 24.5%!, to 15.5, 2.7% blk, 1.1 stl, 3.9 fc/40, 23.1%

Burns has always been high usage.. as a frosh took 34.0% of his team's shots while on the floor. Marquette ultra-great future HoF Markus Howard.. 27% as a frosh, 33% as a sophomore before ramping up even more..

Scary thing is over the last 7... burns at 124.5 ORtg, 65.5% eFG%, OR 7.0%, DR 15.0, assist 31.4%..

Still, doesn't play heavy minutes generally. He logged big MP last timeout, but the other team had Gohlke outside jacking treys, 6'6" Townsend bulk of the other load, pg watts usually higher usage.. a team jacking up wild treys is a great situation for him to "defend". 

Maybe he just sags off Oso and says 'until you're 8 feet from the rim, do whatever'.. but then we'll get creative with HOT action with Oso on the perimeter to create glorious chances for all.

As a team, I really don't like them. I want to destroy them and I'm fine with the crap some will say, like "well MU just got lucky and played a double digit seed".

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Looking at NC State's recent wins:

Duke shot 5-20 on 3s, lost by 5.
Virginia miracle meltdown, lost in OT.
UNC shot 8-30 on 3s, 37.3% from the field.
Texas Tech shot 7-31 on 3s, 38.7% from the field.
Oakland shot 12-35 on 3s, but only 13-33 on 2s, lost in OT.

So 3 wins when the opponent went ice cold from 3 and 2 wins in OT.

[Hards Alumni]

Very different guys
Lampkin... 107 ORtg, 22% Poss, 19% %Shots, 57.9% efG% (all 2's), 12% OR% 18% DR, 14.5% asst, 24.3% TO (!!), 0.5 blk, 0.7 stl, 3.1 FC/40, 43.2% ft rate

Burns... 108 ORtg, 28% Poss, 29% %Shots, 52.9% eFG% (53.1% on 2's, only 5 3FGAs), 6% OR%, 13% DR%, ast 24.5%!, to 15.5, 2.7% blk, 1.1 stl, 3.9 fc/40, 23.1%

Burns has always been high usage.. as a frosh took 34.0% of his team's shots while on the floor. Marquette ultra-great future HoF Markus Howard.. 27% as a frosh, 33% as a sophomore before ramping up even more..

Scary thing is over the last 7... burns at 124.5 ORtg, 65.5% eFG%, OR 7.0%, DR 15.0, assist 31.4%..

Still, doesn't play heavy minutes generally. He logged big MP last timeout, but the other team had Gohlke outside jacking treys, 6'6" Townsend bulk of the other load, pg watts usually higher usage.. a team jacking up wild treys is a great situation for him to "defend". 

Maybe he just sags off Oso and says 'until you're 8 feet from the rim, do whatever'.. but then we'll get creative with HOT action with Oso on the perimeter to create glorious chances for all.

As a team, I really don't like them. I want to destroy them and I'm fine with the crap some will say, like "well MU just got lucky and played a double digit seed".

Burns is almost 300 and doesn't play heavy minutes?  Sounds like we should play up tempo and force him to run the floor. 

[The Sultan]

Burns is almost 300 and doesn't play heavy minutes?  Sounds like we should play up tempo and force him to run the floor. 

Marquette's offense is fast even in the half court. I don't expect that to change.

[pbiflyer]

Burns is almost 300 and doesn't play heavy minutes?  Sounds like we should play up tempo and force him to run the floor.

Burns is almost 300 lbs like I was a great high school athlete. 

[Viper]

I just wish MU had faced decent, or at least physical, centers prior to this game.

Edey, Clingan, Kalkbrenner, Soriano, Oduro, Dixon, Dickinson, Dainja, Sanogo (last season, same Oso)

Someone, anyone, who might help MU prepare. If only.  Alas.

no worries. Muggsy made a call. Davante is working w/Oso. All good.

[willie warrior]

I would add Houston and say MU is 4th.

But I am struggling to reconcile that you believe this but also seem to believe that our players suck.

Sorry you are struggling to reconcile. I do not believe MU players suck. There have been some games where the team sucked and/or some players sucked. Games that come to mind
Are Butler home, Whisky, UConn etc.
I just don't get as gushy about some of our players as others do.
Some examples IMO, Oso is not ready for NBA, he needs another year to work on his game. Gold has a ways to go before being an NBA prospect, Ross the same. Jop has been up and down this year. Kolek might just be best PG in MU history and that is saying a lot.
Getting back to the stacking of remaining teams, I do believe MU  should be third, along with IA. STATE. MU could beat any of those teams if they play their A game, except possibly UConn who is very good. Sorry if I point out MU faults occasionally, just don't get carried away like some.