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denverMU

Why the hell did we play Stevie? I don't disagree with sitting Tyler but you are admitting there is a more important goal. Winning the NCAA tournament. So we should have sat Stevie and probably Kam, Oso, and Jop! Might as well rest them all.

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: denverMU on March 16, 2024, 08:58:23 PM
Why the hell did we play Stevie? I don't disagree with sitting Tyler but you are admitting there is a more important goal. Winning the NCAA tournament. So we should have sat Stevie and probably Kam, Oso, and Jop! Might as well rest them all.

Stevie earned the right to play with his 2 games to get there.

Even more important...sitting Stevie puts a lot of other guys at risk. Need bodies.
VIOLENCE!

The Sultan

Quote from: denverMU on March 16, 2024, 08:58:23 PM
Why the hell did we play Stevie? I don't disagree with sitting Tyler but you are admitting there is a more important goal. Winning the NCAA tournament. So we should have sat Stevie and probably Kam, Oso, and Jop! Might as well rest them all.

Maybe two completely different situations are treated differently? Wild I know....
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Johnny B

I don't necessarily agree... but I think there's a semi decent point in there somewhere

The Sultan

They sat Tyler because they are concerned about reaggrevation or worsening the injury.

Is Stevie's injury similar?  Or does it just hurt without similar concerns?

I guess in addition to coaches, announcers and referees, Scoopers are now armchair athletic trainers.
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denverMU

The determination was made our goal is to win in the NCAA tournament.Fine.  After getting the sh#t beat out of him yesterday, Stevie should have sat for sure.  Oso sure looked like he was injured. Either Tyler plays or rest all our starters for the games that matter.

The Sultan

Ok so I guess you are just going to say the same thing over and over without realizing that the situations may have been completely different.
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denverMU

Ok, the situations aren't different. We had 2 injured players both of whom we need in the NCAA tournament. We sat Tyler, therefore conceding winning this game.  We knew, based on conference play, we couldn't win without Tyler. So once that call is made be consistent and sit all our injured players.

The Sultan

Quote from: denverMU on March 16, 2024, 09:26:34 PM
Ok, the situations aren't different. We had 2 injured players both of whom we need in the NCAA tournament. We sat Tyler, therefore conceding winning this game.  We knew, based on conference play, we couldn't win without Tyler. So once that call is made be consistent and sit all our injured players.

The injuries are different. So they should be handled differently.
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avid1010

Quote from: denverMU on March 16, 2024, 09:26:34 PM
Ok, the situations aren't different. We had 2 injured players both of whom we need in the NCAA tournament. We sat Tyler, therefore conceding winning this game.  We knew, based on conference play, we couldn't win without Tyler. So once that call is made be consistent and sit all our injured players.
The situations are different.  You can arm-chair quarterback a lot of things...but without knowing the details of the two injuries...I'm not sure how you can be so confident that Shaka and company messed this decision up.

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denverMU

What? Both injuries could keep the players from playing. Whether they are wrist, ankle, shoulder, oblique doesn't matter. My bigger issue is you should play to win, with all your players (Tyler would have played just like Stevie did) or rest players who are nicked up to win the games you decide are more important.

The Sultan

Quote from: denverMU on March 16, 2024, 09:34:20 PM
What? Both injuries could keep the players from playing. Whether they are wrist, ankle, shoulder, oblique doesn't matter. My bigger issue is you should play to win, with all your players (Tyler would have played just like Stevie did) or rest players who are nicked up to win the games you decide are more important.

It's about reaggrevating or worsening the injury. I have no idea why you can't understand this.
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denverMU

Stevie's shoulder was obviously injured, he could have injured more tonight. Why can't you understand that? Yes, Tyler had already been held out but that only sets the precedent for benching injured players so they can play in the NCAA tournament.

The Sultan

Stevie could have injured his shoulder more? How do you know that?
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TallTitan34

Quote from: denverMU on March 16, 2024, 09:39:43 PM
Stevie's shoulder was obviously injured, he could have injured more tonight. Why can't you understand that? Yes, Tyler had already been held out but that only sets the precedent for benching injured players so they can play in the NCAA tournament.

Please CC me on these medical reports you are receiving.

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denverMU

Now you're just being silly. Injured players who play always have a chance of aggravating their injury. What you haven't addressed is the fact that by not playing Tyler the coaching staff determined that the NCAA tournament was more important than the Big East tournament. OBTW I agree with that.

denverMU

Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 16, 2024, 09:42:44 PM
Please CC me on these medical reports you are receiving.

Right Stevie's shoulder was just fine. Must have medical reports to know that.

The Sultan

Quote from: denverMU on March 16, 2024, 09:47:24 PM
Now you're just being silly. Injured players who play always have a chance of aggravating their injury. What you haven't addressed is the fact that by not playing Tyler the coaching staff determined that the NCAA tournament was more important than the Big East tournament. OBTW I agree with that.


Uh...no they don't.

Anyway, write Shaka a letter. I'm sure he will give it the response it deserves.
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denverMU


denverMU

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 16, 2024, 09:49:52 PM

Uh...no they don't.

Anyway, write Shaka a letter. I'm sure he will give it the response it deserves.

It's interesting that you freely go on a website where people are invited to express their opinions and then you get all bent out of shape when people do. No need to get pissy.

The Sultan

Quote from: denverMU on March 16, 2024, 09:54:15 PM
It's interesting that you freely go on a website where people are invited to express their opinions and then you get all bent out of shape when people do. No need to get pissy.

lol. White flag noted.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

avid1010

Quote from: denverMU on March 16, 2024, 09:54:15 PM
It's interesting that you freely go on a website where people are invited to express their opinions and then you get all bent out of shape when people do. No need to get pissy.
It's interesting that you go on a website and are surprised when people state they trust Shaka and the medical team more than you.

denverMU

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 16, 2024, 09:56:05 PM
lol. White flag noted.

Yes, you "won". Happy now. You, and posters like you, are why I rarely post anymore. It would be nice just have a reasonable discussion without worrying whether you need to prove someone right or wrong.

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