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Author Topic: Buzz Williams  (Read 10789 times)

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Re: Buzz Williams
« Reply #100 on: February 29, 2024, 04:40:35 AM »
By much, do you mean Chicos? I mean he is like 38 accounts by himself

My recollection is that his concern was about “the process” more than anything.
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Re: Buzz Williams
« Reply #101 on: February 29, 2024, 07:19:39 AM »
Lotsa folks heer no no ball, aina?
Says the trade Giannis dope
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Re: Buzz Williams
« Reply #102 on: February 29, 2024, 07:34:51 AM »
Says the trade Giannis dope

That’s different.  He’s a prima donna who invests in the community 4elder hates
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

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Re: Buzz Williams
« Reply #103 on: February 29, 2024, 08:05:01 AM »
Crean and Wojo both sent in video messages in for Barb's retirement last year.  Buzz declined.  Character revealed.

I'm glad we moved on from Wojo but we should thank him for bringing us 60% of our current starting lineup.  He may have been a lousy coach but the guy could recruit.  That alone should get him a job somewhere.


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Re: Buzz Williams
« Reply #104 on: February 29, 2024, 08:33:52 AM »
Crean and Wojo both sent in video messages in for Barb's retirement last year.  Buzz declined.  Character revealed.

I'm glad we moved on from Wojo but we should thank him for bringing us 60% of our current starting lineup.  He may have been a lousy coach but the guy could recruit.  That alone should get him a job somewhere.
Wojo checked every box, except winning. I think the comments on his coaching experience being with only elite talent lead him to not develop as a coach is spot on. Also observations about Coach K not being a great mentor or terribly 'democratic' with his coaching staff are astute. Maybe like great players not making good coaches, great coaches don't always develop great head coaches, ie Belichick and Calhoun.   

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Re: Buzz Williams
« Reply #105 on: February 29, 2024, 09:35:47 AM »
Wojo checked every box, except winning. I think the comments on his coaching experience being with only elite talent lead him to not develop as a coach is spot on. Also observations about Coach K not being a great mentor or terribly 'democratic' with his coaching staff are astute. Maybe like great players not making good coaches, great coaches don't always develop great head coaches, ie Belichick and Calhoun.

Well, there are those letter writers who didn't think that Wojo checked the "player/locker room management" box.

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Re: Buzz Williams
« Reply #106 on: February 29, 2024, 09:52:57 AM »
Well, there are those letter writers who didn't think that Wojo checked the "player/locker room management" box.

Only 1 family wrote a letter
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Re: Buzz Williams
« Reply #107 on: February 29, 2024, 11:37:57 AM »
I think 2 young ladies who had their lives changed in 2010-11 might disagree with your take that "buzz was good for Marquette"

His court success speaks for itself and brought MU back to the top tier but minor recruiting violations, brawl at 720 w/underage drinking, qdoba fight, constant transfers, and the cherry on top that was the Chicago tribune article detailing the SA are not separate from buzz which gave us a crappy rep. In fact I'd argue that the constant headache that was buzz's program is what directly lead to Wojo and the comfort of a clean program over winning. which was pretty inarguably not good for Marquette. Thus buzz pushed too far and the lingering effect of him caused a major drop off after all his success.

Edit: forgot to add attempting to get recruits in like a guy who set a classmates hair on fire and an addict. (Harris and Noskowiak)

This is pretty spot on.  The Buzz era can be distilled down to Buzz never fully coming to terms that he was ultimately responsible for the behavior of those within the program(both coaches and players).  The litany of off court problems was raising questions of institutional control, both from inside the Al as well as outside the program.  Unfortunately admin at the time weren't the strongest or smartest so when they approached Buzz about recognizing the problem, I'm sure they were heavy handed and Buzz overreacted.  I'd like to believe with experience now, Buzz would admit there were problems, but he is a pretty immature guy so who knows.  I'd also like to believe with a more competent AD, things could have been different but also who knows. 

For me, that game against WV is a perfect representation of the Buzz era.  Buzz smiling, dancing, and showboating in front of a camera after Jae carried the entire team on his back while half the team was suspended by the AD(lol if you think Buzz suspended them on his own) for getting into fights.
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Re: Buzz Williams
« Reply #108 on: February 29, 2024, 05:24:21 PM »
Yeah, half true.

Buzz deserved the reputation he got once he left. The issue is the people above him (admin, who were the real targets in the Chicago Tribune article for the dismissal of the rape charges) and the ones below him (the player who committed the crimes (a walk on, if I remember), are the bad guys. Trash on Buzz all you want, but he was probably fourth in line for what went down.

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Re: Buzz Williams
« Reply #109 on: February 29, 2024, 05:28:12 PM »
Yeah, half true.

Buzz deserved the reputation he got once he left. The issue is the people above him (admin, who were the real targets in the Chicago Tribune article for the dismissal of the rape charges) and the ones below him (the player who committed the crimes (a walk on, if I remember), are the bad guys. Trash on Buzz all you want, but he was probably fourth in line for what went down.

I don't think Buzz's actions will be on any training videos except for maybe a what not to do.

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Re: Buzz Williams
« Reply #110 on: February 29, 2024, 05:28:47 PM »
I don't think Buzz's actions will be on any training videos except for maybe a what not to do.

I agree 100%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljaP2etvDc4
« Last Edit: February 29, 2024, 05:32:16 PM by Small Orange Soda »

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Re: Buzz Williams
« Reply #111 on: February 29, 2024, 05:43:31 PM »
Buzz was and probably still a dirtbag. Time to move on.

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Re: Buzz Williams
« Reply #112 on: February 29, 2024, 05:45:23 PM »
Buzz was and probably still a dirtbag. Time to move on.

We got a good one with Shaka.

And this board is so much better without Chicos.
« Last Edit: February 29, 2024, 05:58:19 PM by Small Orange Soda »

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Re: Buzz Williams
« Reply #113 on: February 29, 2024, 07:01:49 PM »
(the player who committed the crimes (a walk on, if I remember)

Plural players and no it was not just walk ones.
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Re: Buzz Williams
« Reply #114 on: February 29, 2024, 07:13:43 PM »
The head coach is the CEO. Just as it was Wojo's job to deal with the Hauser/Howard egos, it was Buzz's job to deal with his team's off-the-court situations. It's a stain on both coaches' MU records.
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Re: Buzz Williams
« Reply #115 on: February 29, 2024, 07:16:59 PM »
Plural players and no it was not just walk ones.

Thanks for clarifying. I don’t claim to know all the details but my understanding is that it was not one assault and not one player. Buzz also was allegedly involved in trying to remedy one of these situations without going through the proper channels at the university.

Buzz’s teams were fun and it was a great time for on court results. But for all the handwringing about crime on campus by some here, everyone should be happy that Buzz isn’t at MU anymore because he didn’t care at all about the campus community at all. If what I have heard is true, MU’s admin can only be faulted for not being more stern with Buzz towards the end of his tenure.

 

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