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When should MU give Shaka a Lifetime Contract Extension?

Now! I'm a shakaholic.
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After he shows us what he can do with TK and Oso gone - 5 years to judge
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When we cut down the big nets.
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« on: February 09, 2024, 02:50:28 AM »
I was updating the "Season Accomplishment" post and just can't get over how much Shaka has already done in 2.5 years. Some of this might just be comparing to the baseline of the last guy, but it's really amazing the consistency in what his teams have accomplished since he took over. Of course there is a lot of ball yet to be played this year and the glaring gap of major NCAAT success, but I think most of us are convinced Shaka is the guy for the long term.

If you think/hope Shaka should retire a warrior, it begs the question of if/when MU should offer him a lifetime contract. I tried to do some digging and could only find Self's, K's and Calipari's.  I don't know if the knowers of ball out there are aware of others. It looks like Nova (fans at least) entertained it for Wright in 2019, and Pitino and Iona might have had talks about it. I don't see anything about Few or Roy Williams and can't think of many other coaches who might be plausible candidates.

Obviously a huge (mutual) commitment - and Shaka's $3 million is no where near Calipari's $9 or Self's $10, but it doesn't seem like it's something that wouldn't be out of the question at some point. Or, in today's rapidly changing NIL/Conference/Everything else environment, does it never make sense to lock into that type of commitment (and presumably there would still be (potentially costly) outs). Are these kinds of contracts strictly the preserve of blue bloods? Or if it came to it, would MU be able to pony up the dough for lifetime kind of money?

For me, I think either cutting down the nets at any point, or multiple FF or better seasons would do it - that would put him in the Al echelon - but it wouldn't have MU in blue blood territory - that's multiple championships at a minimum. Obviously a huge lift to get there, but the man just so embodies what MUBB should be about.
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Re: Lifetime Contract Extension
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2024, 06:24:26 AM »
In general, lifetime contracts aren’t great for either party.
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2024, 07:09:04 AM »
Never,  they're a dumb idea.

But let's get through one recruiting cycle before we start declaring Shaka for life. I'm absolutely in love,  but we need to see how Shaka builds after losing TKo/Oso
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2024, 07:10:24 AM »
If we give Shaka a lifetime contract, we won’t be able to hire Brian Wardle
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2024, 07:11:45 AM »
Philosophically opposed.
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2024, 07:17:56 AM »
Never,  they're a dumb idea.

But let's get through one recruiting cycle before we start declaring Shaka for life. I'm absolutely in love,  but we need to see how Shaka builds after losing TKo/Oso

5 years to judge.
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2024, 07:19:35 AM »
"Thinking outside the box" is one of the most common cliche's, but it fits here. If Shaka would like Marquette to help him in setting up and assisting in community projects in and around Milwaukee, that, along with generous salary increases, may accomplish the goal of keeping him at Marquette for a very long time.

His interests extend well beyond basketball, and he's a thinker and a doer. He's a Renaissance man. Make not just Marquette but Milwaukee his base and the lifetime contract concept will be accomplished.   
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2024, 07:30:03 AM »
Let's make it to the second weekend first. <ducks>

Besides, I believe he has a rollover contract already. Technically a lifetime contract.

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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2024, 07:44:05 AM »
Give me five more years of Shaka and the rest is a bonus, imo. I hope he retires from MU, but these are crazy times in college sports and I'm going to enjoy one game at a time.

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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2024, 07:46:48 AM »
5 years to judge.

No that was the old standard. Insta-transfers have changed the standard.  That being said,  you want to at least make sure you don't have a Brady Belichiek situation on your hands
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2024, 07:47:05 AM »
Let's make it to the second weekend first. <ducks>

Besides, I believe he has a rollover contract already. Technically a lifetime contract.

Don’t duck when you’re right.  We all love Shaka but losses in early rounds will not keep MU on the trajectory we all want. 

Good news is that hurdle will be jumped this year and we won’t have to think about it anymore.

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Re: Lifetime Contract Extension
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2024, 07:48:58 AM »
How about partial ownership?

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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2024, 07:56:34 AM »
How about partial ownership?

He can always just have his parents pay for school and be designated a walk on to free up a scholly.

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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2024, 07:59:03 AM »
Don’t duck when you’re right.  We all love Shaka but losses in early rounds will not keep MU on the trajectory we all want. 

Good news is that hurdle will be jumped this year and we won’t have to think about it anymore.

I am often right at home but that doesn't preclude me from ducking often.

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Re: Lifetime Contract Extension
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2024, 08:05:35 AM »
Win two ncaa tournament games this March or launch the idiot, er, Coach Smart, and go hard for Gard.

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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2024, 08:15:34 AM »
Win two ncaa tournament games this March or launch the idiot, er, Coach Smart, and go hard for Gard.

I don't even think Bucky Badger is as obsessed with UW as much as you are.
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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2024, 08:19:36 AM »
No that was the old standard. Insta-transfers have changed the standard.  That being said,  you want to at least make sure you don't have a Brady Belichiek situation on your hands

No actually it was just something stupid chicos said because he either loved or hated one of our coaches. 

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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2024, 08:33:18 AM »
I am often right at home but that doesn't preclude me from ducking often.

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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2024, 08:41:15 AM »
What if Lovell adopts him?

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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2024, 08:42:50 AM »
What if Lovell adopts him?
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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2024, 08:53:53 AM »
No actually it was just something stupid chicos said because he either loved or hated one of our coaches. 

My recollection is, that while he was criticizing the Buzz search process, he was justifying why they gave him a six year deal.
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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2024, 08:56:18 AM »
No actually it was just something stupid chicos said because he either loved or hated one of our coaches.

There was wisdom behind it. Get though an entire recruiting cycle,  make sure a coach can win with their own players not just the last coach's players. Things are different now. Slick Rick chased off all but one Johnnie and completely replaced the roster in a single offseason. Insta transfers means you can rebuild a lot quicker
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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2024, 10:15:40 AM »
Contracts pretty much don't matter. Coaches and schools break them quite regularly. KO, Crean and Wojo were all under contract to Marquette, but that didn't stop them from either leaving or being told to leave.

The most interesting thing from this comment stream so far is how many Scoopers are saying, "Prove it," re Shaka. And I'm not saying folks are wrong. It might be a crapshoot, but March is where the great coaches separate themselves from the rest. Even great coaches have early exits sometimes (and even mediocre coaches have won in the NCAAT), but over time, great coaches have success in March (and even April).

And I always find the whole "loyalty" thing to be interesting. We want a coach who won't use Marquette as a stepping stone and who makes MU his forever assignment. Be loyal to us, dammit!! But if our team flames out the next 2-3 Marches, how loyal will MU fans be to Shaka? How many will boo him when he's introduced before games? Which bazillionaires will be offering to pay his buyout?

I know that's how the game is played - and so does Shaka - but still.

OK, enough silly speculation from me. We're winning big in the NCAAT this year, so all of the above is moot!
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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2024, 11:27:32 AM »
Contracts pretty much don't matter. Coaches and schools break them quite regularly. KO, Crean and Wojo were all under contract to Marquette, but that didn't stop them from either leaving or being told to leave.

The most interesting thing from this comment stream so far is how many Scoopers are saying, "Prove it," re Shaka. And I'm not saying folks are wrong. It might be a crapshoot, but March is where the great coaches separate themselves from the rest. Even great coaches have early exits sometimes (and even mediocre coaches have won in the NCAAT), but over time, great coaches have success in March (and even April).

And I always find the whole "loyalty" thing to be interesting. We want a coach who won't use Marquette as a stepping stone and who makes MU his forever assignment. Be loyal to us, dammit!! But if our team flames out the next 2-3 Marches, how loyal will MU fans be to Shaka? How many will boo him when he's introduced before games? Which bazillionaires will be offering to pay his buyout?

I know that's how the game is played - and so does Shaka - but still.

OK, enough silly speculation from me. We're winning big in the NCAAT this year, so all of the above is moot!

Getting too big for your britches is definitely a thing look at Vanderbilt with Stallings... and Pitt with Dixon. Or even Texas ushering Shaka out. If Shaka consistently has us top 3 in the BE (realistic given we're about the 4th best program historically with the 3rd being a disaster) then we're going to be in the tournament every year & bound to make a run at some point. We may get restless after awhile but hopefully nobody's stupid enough to start calling for his job.
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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2024, 11:45:53 AM »
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« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2024, 11:47:17 AM »
I miss him.   Always good for a belly laugh.
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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2024, 11:52:39 AM »
The -"now, Shakaholic" option was pretty much just to give the full range, but I'm wondering about the "neverers" - if we succeed in becoming a blue blood (however you define it) don't you want/he deserves a lifetime contract?

And I know they don't mean anything at the end of the day, but they must mean enough to K and Self and Calipari for them to be a thing - three programs whose success I wouldn't mind having (but the "Shaka-way).


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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2024, 01:01:20 PM »
I don't even think Bucky Badger is as obsessed with UW as much as you are.
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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2024, 01:26:25 PM »
The -"now, Shakaholic" option was pretty much just to give the full range, but I'm wondering about the "neverers" - if we succeed in becoming a blue blood (however you define it) don't you want/he deserves a lifetime contract?

And I know they don't mean anything at the end of the day, but they must mean enough to K and Self and Calipari for them to be a thing - three programs whose success I wouldn't mind having (but the "Shaka-way).

I think if not all, almost all coaches have very healthy egos, but Shaka's easily fits into the Al and probably a decent sized room as well. Calipari and K? Theirs won't fit into the largest FB stadiums. As I wrote in my earlier post, my guess is that there are a number of things more important to Shaka, and some of those have nothing to do with basketball.

I guess what I am asking is " Does a lifetime contract mean much to Shaka?" I think not.
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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2024, 01:41:46 PM »
There was wisdom behind it. Get though an entire recruiting cycle,  make sure a coach can win with their own players not just the last coach's players. Things are different now. Slick Rick chased off all but one Johnnie and completely replaced the roster in a single offseason. Insta transfers means you can rebuild a lot quicker

Maybe and sometimes sure. My guess is the more important factor was it fit the narrative of the day.

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« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2024, 06:24:46 PM »
Maybe and sometimes sure. My guess is the more important factor was it fit the narrative of the day.

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« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2024, 06:43:33 PM »
In general, lifetime contracts aren’t great for either party.

Or for fans. Honeymooned end.

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« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2024, 06:47:20 PM »
NolongerWarriors is on Line 1...

He doesn’t count … and, sadly, he wasn’t the only one who called for Shaka’s job after Year 1.
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« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2024, 08:59:42 PM »
Hypothetical. And frankly, quite likely one>>>

After leading Marquette to the Sweet Sixteen, with their eyes set on a Final Four……

Shaka Smart is being mentioned as a successor to the recently fired John Calipari at Kentucky and Mike Woodson at Indiana.

If I’m anyone who is anyone at Marquette, I’m drawing something up as we speak. If only to quiet the carousel speculation, which can be a serious distraction for any team, let alone one capable of winning an NCAA title.

I really really hope Shaka is very happy here.


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« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2024, 09:04:29 PM »
Building a new house in Fox Point, l can not say forever, but he has a sweet deal here!  Who wants the pressure at both of those schools, he is the main man here with no football!

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« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2024, 09:09:57 PM »
Hypothetical. And frankly, quite likely one>>>

After leading Marquette to the Sweet Sixteen, with their eyes set on a Final Four……

Shaka Smart is being mentioned as a successor to the recently fired John Calipari at Kentucky and Mike Woodson at Indiana.

If I’m anyone who is anyone at Marquette, I’m drawing something up as we speak. If only to quiet the carousel speculation, which can be a serious distraction for any team, let alone one capable of winning an NCAA title.

I really really hope Shaka is very happy here.

I totally agree that if Kentucky and/or Indiana have vacancies, they could reach out to Shaka. I also am not naive enough to think that Shaka is already committed to stay at MU for the rest of his career.

At the same time, I believe that Shaka's Texas experience is still fresh in his mind. He was attacked endlessly, even by a fan base more focused on football. My gut says he realizes that entering the hellscape of a blueblood like UK or IU is not what he wants.

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« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2024, 09:17:42 PM »
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Shaka had delivered at the highest level and I appreciate every game he has coached at MU. If he decides to go elsewhere I am good with that. He proved that MU is a fxxkin basketball school and can compete at the highest level nationally.

I am not going to spend one second worrying about his tenure at MU. I am going to enjoy watching the best basketball that I have seen since I was in grade school.


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« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2024, 09:21:25 PM »
Goose.
Well-said.

 

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