WIN when they TRUST

[MU82]

Chase has been underwhelming all season long.  Sean Jones was a bigger loss as far as impact.  Hopefully Chase can regain some of the form of his freshman year.  The big leap many were expecting to happen had not happened and his 26% 3pt shooting, and 46% eFG weren't adding too much.

Many = Shaka, who said numerous times before and early in the season that Ross was the team's most improved player.

[Newsdreams]

Many = Shaka, who said numerous times before and early in the season that Ross was the team's most improved player.

He is a fraud like the real Elon

[Elonsmusk]

Ball knower exposes himself. You're watching only one side of the ball. Absolute menace defensively. Oso is the best defender on the team, but Sean and Stevie are elite disruptors.

I agree with your ranking of defenders on the squad.  I'd put Chase at 4th best after Oso, Stevie, and Sean.  That aside I think Zaide will prove to be a better defender and player than Chase over time.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Great feeling deleting the DePaul ticket app as soon as you walk out of a no-sweat win (even if we didn't cover)

[mileskishnish72]

If there's such a thing as an unsatisfying win, this was it. Let's hope we get a W in the other category Sat.

[SonOfWarrior]

I was impressed with how the new coach had DePaul pushing the ball. Let them be athletes and see what they can do. I'll be interested to see how their next few games look.

Except early they didn't get back on defense, even after a make 

[Dr. Blackheart]

Best trey and efg% game of the year. Slumpbuster.

Oso played like a first rounder. Stud

MU's close outs again way late on defensive rotations. Maddening

[DoctorV]

Not really much to take away but I came away with 3/4 things

1- Oso looks like he belongs in the nba when he doesn't play against elite/BE caliber bigs

2- TyKo is really trying to get that shot back

3- Shaka is really trying to get Zaide into the rotation.
This was the big one for me tonight. Zaide plaide like crap, air balled a 3 and then threw an alley oop to Oso that was brutal and he seemed to be the only one that knew it was planned for Oso. Then, he stared the senior leader down and gave him visible attitude on their way to the bench.

I wondered if that was it for him for the game and if Shaka would pull the plug. I wasn't sure.
The fact that Shaka sent him out a bunch in the 2H when he was playing like crap tells me all I need to know.

I think Shaka knows Chase might be out longer than expected and/or that he will need Zaide, and I'm glad he let the kid roll in his struggles. To Osos credit, he brought Zaide in for instruction and TLC.

4- Ben is way too non EGB.
Made 3 threes, stroke still didn't look good despite the makes.
Where's the energy though? He's just blah.
No offense against the kid but show some emotion, show some passion, you're playing for Shaka and a top 15 team.

Shaka is stuck to him this season, so a late of the season run can definitely do him good, but I think he rolls him out there by necessity.
Someone light a fire in the kids ass

5- Jop loves Wintrust, and his shot is way better when it "touches the sky J" as Muggs would say.
Speaking of that, oh hi Kam remember when you were being called the best backcourt in America?

[JakeBarnes]

Already sold my Seton Hall ticket bc I'm expecting to be at a memorial service for our murdered cagers.

I'm sad to report I was murdered 5 more times on the way home. This city, she is ruthless

[JakeBarnes]

Best trey and efg% game of the year. Slumpbuster.

Oso played like a first rounder. Stud

MU's close outs again way late on defensive rotations. Maddening

Scout I talked to agreed on Oso

[El Guerrero 2]

I'm glad Zaide didn't back down when Oso scolded him on the lob. It was there and Oso just didn't see it / expect it. We don't need another deer-in-headlights frosh; that's Norman's role apparently.

[seakm4]

Yeah DePaul isn't good this year but we beat a BE team on the road by >10. Dub - on to the next one.

I just watched the game.  Stop using logic.  It's infuriating to those who have none.

[tower912]

Shaka post-game:   if you don't like Ben Gold, there is something wrong with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4FXafi_5KY






I really enjoyed seeing him get 26 minutes.   Some very good help defense.  Yes, he still has trouble defending guards driving to the basket from 25 feet away.

[pbiflyer]

Scout I talked to agreed on Oso

The scout I talked to didn't think much about Oso when I asked, but she did sell me a couple boxes of delicious cookies.

[pbiflyer]

Yeah DePaul isn't good this year but we beat a BE team on the road by >10. Dub - on to the next one.

Ban this guy! Posts like this have no place on scoop.

[NotAnAlum]

DePaul played alot better than I expected.  Terry was hot from 3 (shooters always seem to get hot against us).  Several times they could have just quit but they keep coming back.  Even with 3 minutes left they were playing hard.  Don't know if they were looser because Stubblefield wasn't yelling at them the whole time or if they just always play better against MU but it was not the dominant preformance I'd hoped we'd see.  Think MU got a little 3 happy and stopped looking for cutters.  We'll take it but look when there's foul trouble was not pretty.

[Lennys Tap]

Many = Shaka, who said numerous times before and early in the season that Ross was the team's most improved player.

I was one of the many (based on last year and Shaka's comments) who expected a break out from Chase this year. I was hoping he could keep Joplin in the 6th man, instant offense role for which he was better suited. Maybe he still can but pre injury he was really struggling.

[tower912]

I, too, was optimistic about Ross.   He has not made a huge, ready-for-the-NBA, leap.    As far as Ross starting in order to keep Joplin in the 6th man role, it never made sense to me.    First of all, starting 4 guards under 6'5 in the Big East, except out of necessity, doesn't seem optimal to me.    In my head, I always saw Oso at 30, Joplin at 25, Ben at 25.   Ish.   5 guards filling three positions.     TKO and Kam at 30, Stevie at 25, Ross at 20, Sean at 15.  Ish.   Gold finally got to 26 last night and I thought the team was better for it.     Zaide and Tre have not shown that they are ready for the minutes I mentally projected for Chase and Sean.   Hopefully, they continue to put in the work and they and the team see the rewards of their work. 

[Goose]

tower

You know my feelings on Gold and not making any excuses for his play this year, but I do think extended playing time helped him a lot. Too often, much because of his play, he gets very short stints on the court and never gets comfortable. That can be said for the freshmen as well. One thing that I think some on here miss is that MU has two extremely good and older players on this team and they are really good. So good that they play almost every minute of the game.

I am not going to grade the freshmen because they get limited time and different lineups on a regular basis. More importantly, TK is almost a 23y high level guard and to compare a 18y Norman to him is beyond foolish, imo. I have no idea what their ceiling might be, but they sure as hell are not going to have impact like the big three. We are spoiled as hell with Oso and TK and I think that jades opinions other players.

[Lennys Tap]

I, too, was optimistic about Ross.   He has not made a huge, ready-for-the-NBA, leap.    As far as Ross starting in order to keep Joplin in the 6th man role, it never made sense to me.    First of all, starting 4 guards under 6'5 in the Big East, except out of necessity, doesn't seem optimal to me.    In my head, I always saw Oso at 30, Joplin at 25, Ben at 25.   Ish.   5 guards filling three positions.     TKO and Kam at 30, Stevie at 25, Ross at 20, Sean at 15.  Ish.   Gold finally got to 26 last night and I thought the team was better for it.     Zaide and Tre have not shown that they are ready for the minutes I mentally projected for Chase and Sean.   Hopefully, they continue to put in the work and they and the team see the rewards of their work.

Ross, Gold or Jop was going to get that starting spot. None were ideal. Ross is a bit small, but is athletic, quick and can jump and play D.  Jop is also on the short side (maybe 6'6" but I doubt it) and he plays small. He has one semi elite talent - outside shooting (instant offense best suited off the bench) but in every other phase - ball handling, defense, quickness, decision making, hops - he is well below average. Maybe you start Ross against smaller lineups and Gold against bigger ones. Best option would have been the portal.

[swoopem]

Ross, Gold or Jop was going to get that starting spot. None were ideal. Ross is a bit small, but is athletic, quick and can jump and play D.  Jop is also on the short side (maybe 6'6" but I doubt it) and he plays small. He has one semi elite talent - outside shooting (instant offense best suited off the bench) but in every other phase - ball handling, defense, quickness, decision making, hops - he is well below average. Maybe you start Ross against smaller lineups and Gold against bigger ones. Best option would have been the portal.

Jop's defensive rebounding has improved and seems to be one of his better skills. If he gets his hands on the ball, he's normally able to secure it. Which is odd considering he can't dribble to save his life

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Chase has been underwhelming all season long.  Sean Jones was a bigger loss as far as impact.  Hopefully Chase can regain some of the form of his freshman year.  The big leap many were expecting to happen had not happened and his 26% 3pt shooting, and 46% eFG weren't adding too much.

Underwhelming on offense. A motherloving bear trap on defense

I agree with your ranking of defenders on the squad.  I'd put Chase at 4th best after Oso, Stevie, and Sean.  That aside I think Zaide will prove to be a better defender and player than Chase over time.

Oso and chase are the two best defenders and not even close. Stevie is the best disruptor and a silid defender. Sean is a disruptor but not a good defender.

[Miss Katie’s]

The scout I talked to didn't think much about Oso when I asked, but she did sell me a couple boxes of delicious cookies.

Hope you stocked up on the Thin Mints!

[brewcity77]

Underwhelming on offense. A motherloving bear trap on defense

Oso and chase are the two best defenders and not even close. Stevie is the best disruptor and a silid defender. Sean is a disruptor but not a good defender.

Marquette is 14.5 points/100 possessions better on defense when Chase is on the floor. The only person in that stratosphere is Zaide. As Chase has played more than double the minutes of Zaide and the garbage time Zaide plays, I would argue Ross' numbers are more statistically significant.

Chase has been a monster defender. He has been underwhelming on offense, but he's excellent on defense.

[MU82]

Agree on Chase's defense.

Any legit word on when he might be back?