My One Observation

[Lennys Tap]

By "if it's their best option," I mean as long as they don't have someone wide open under the basket or something similar.

But my larger point is that there are a number of Scoopers who say that Sean and Steve shouldn't be allowed to shoot. That's just dumb. Everyone on the court should be allowed to shoot "their shot." The last thing anyone wants is for players to hesitate or think too much out there.

Maybe I've missed it but I don't think anyone has said that Sean and Stevie "shouldn't be allowed to shoot". Oso has only taken one shot outside of 7 feet (today, he missed badly). He knows what "his shot" looks and limits himself accordingly. Just because a guy is small doesn't mean 3s are "his shot". I'm OK with Stevie taking a few uncontested 3s from the corner. And if Sean can continue to hit in the clutch like he did today - OK. But they're pretty much unguarded at the 3 point line right now for a reason. Wide open, last 10 seconds of the shot clock, fine. Until they earn a longer leash, imo the percentages say no.

[GoldenEagles03]

Today is why you never, ever, ever tell a player they can't shoot in the flow of the offense.  You never know when they step up.

Yup. Marquette has become a premiere program in Shaka's short time here. They've done it by layups/dunks/3s strategy. They recruit to that strategy and they are going to trust their guys.

Nothing should change aside from the increasing confidence.

[Lennys Tap]

That's where you'd be wrong.

But some things never change.

So you don't think rico ever says anything funny or insightful? Tough audience.

[Judge Smails]

I said in the game thread in the first half that Stevie shouldn't shoot anymore. I was pretty frustrated when I wrote it. Was pleasantly surprised to see him and Sean knock down a couple each in the second half. Nevertheless, for most of this season, they have really struggled from beyond the arc. Today's second half will not change the way opponents defend us - Stevie and Sean are going to have to make 3s on a consistent basis before teams stop giving them the open 3.

[MuMark]

I said in the game thread in the first half that Stevie shouldn't shoot anymore. I was pretty frustrated when I wrote it. Was pleasantly surprised to see him and Sean knock down a couple each in the second half. Nevertheless, for most of this season, they have really struggled from beyond the arc. Today's second half will not change the way opponents defend us - Stevie and Sean are going to have to make 3s on a consistent basis before teams stop giving them the open 3.

And that's why they have to take them......to get opponents to defend us differently......if they don't take them  opponents will never defend us differently.

Ps don't look now but Joplin is now making a higher percentage from 3 than Kam is........it's almost like 3 point shooting can go through peaks and valleys during a season.

[Hards Alumni]

So you don't think rico ever says anything funny or insightful? Tough audience.

Quite the opposite.

[MU82]

Maybe I've missed it but I don't think anyone has said that Sean and Stevie "shouldn't be allowed to shoot". Oso has only taken one shot outside of 7 feet (today, he missed badly). He knows what "his shot" looks and limits himself accordingly. Just because a guy is small doesn't mean 3s are "his shot". I'm OK with Stevie taking a few uncontested 3s from the corner. And if Sean can continue to hit in the clutch like he did today - OK. But they're pretty much unguarded at the 3 point line right now for a reason. Wide open, last 10 seconds of the shot clock, fine. Until they earn a longer leash, imo the percentages say no.

You need to have a chat with Coach Smart, because he disagrees with you.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I said in the game thread in the first half that Stevie shouldn't shoot anymore. I was pretty frustrated when I wrote it. Was pleasantly surprised to see him and Sean knock down a couple each in the second half. Nevertheless, for most of this season, they have really struggled from beyond the arc. Today's second half will not change the way opponents defend us - Stevie and Sean are going to have to make 3s on a consistent basis before teams stop giving them the open 3.

This might again be a case of being biased by the (successful) result, but it sure looked like Stevie's form on the two makes was different than what he had been doing.

All season his 3s looked to me like two-handed push shots, but on his two makes it appeared like he had much better rotation. There was actual backspin on the balls rather than waffling them towards the rim.

Like Oso's FTs, I hope Stevie can make the improvement stick.

[IrwinFletcher]

I am all for Sean Jones taking an open 3.

I am not for Sean Jones taking an open dunk for the rest of the season.

[The Sultan]

Maybe I've missed it but I don't think anyone has said that Sean and Stevie "shouldn't be allowed to shoot".

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=65475.msg1602791#msg1602791

[rgoode57]

MU's offense is dependent on taking open 3's when the opportunity presents itself. If Tyler drives the lane and kicks to an open Sean, or Stevie, or Chase in the corner and they pass up the shot, Shaka is not going to be happy. The worst thing a player in a shooting slump can do is to start thinking about missing and stop shooting. Remember, all these guys were big-time scorers in high school. And even if their shooting is streaky, they are really fun to watch.

[tower912]

MU's offense isn't just dependent on that, it is flat out designed for that.

[79Warrior]

You need to have a chat with Coach Smart, because he disagrees with you.

Exactly. If the leash was on Sean we may have lost that game yesterday. If you are open, shoot.

[panda]

With streaky shooters, expect streaky results.


This team and the scheme is good enough to get good looks for Kam/jop/tyler/ben while allowing some others to pass up their looks.

[Elonsmusk]

Sultan is right that there have been a handful or two of Scoopers suggesting Sean/Stevie shouldn't be shooting 3's.  Of course one of those was our resident temper tantrum two-year old poster PGsHeros32:

Sean Jones continuing to take 3s is just horrific basketball

No saying "thats the offense shaka wants" if so then thats bad coaching by Shaka.

Open 3s for certain guys are the equivalent of boner pills for the defense. Just stop

But then more level headed commentary from other posters:

Sean Jones has won us more than one game this year. I can live with his missed shots, he's been a major net + and is NOT the problem

I agree with this analysis.  No problem with Sean taking open 3's.  Did not like one he took without any passing in the possession, but others were fine.

Jop going 1-9 from 3 today killed us.  Will be really hard to win against good teams if Jop continues to get max minutes, and continues to struggle offensively (95 O-Rating for the season).

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

My observation about Sean Jones was that he didn't jump as high on his three point attempts yesterday.

That gave him better control and improved accuracy.

[panda]

Sultan is right that there have been a handful or two of Scoopers suggesting Sean/Stevie shouldn't be shooting 3's.  Of course one of those was our resident temper tantrum two-year old poster PGsHeros32:

But then more level headed commentary from other posters:

"According to many level headed posters such as myself"

lol this rules

[muwarrior69]

MU's offense isn't just dependent on that, it is flat out designed for that.

Can you imagine this team if we had Scheierman.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Can you imagine this team if we had Scheierman.

Yeah, it's like punching yourself in the face. 

[Elonsmusk]

"According to many level headed posters such as myself"

lol this rules

Almost as much as this guy not knowing backtaps are counted as rebounds.  (If you really thought Oso corralled 9 O-rebounds himself (not counting backtaps) watching that game just proof positive that you're really not very observant.

Credit him w more than 9 w multiple top backs too

[panda]

Almost as much as this guy not knowing backtaps are counted as rebounds.  (If you really thought Oso corralled 9 O-rebounds himself (not counting backtaps) watching that game just proof positive that you're really not very observant.

I didn't know a particular stat technicality while you're staring in the mirror complimenting your own genius.

I'm happy to accept that "burn" from you.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Yeah, it's like punching yourself in the face.

+1000

[Elonsmusk]

I didn't know a particular stat technicality while you're staring in the mirror complimenting your own genius.

I'm happy to accept that "burn" from you.

Thanks. You'll continue to grow in your learning here. Your snark game is pretty solid though. 

[panda]

Thanks. You'll continue to grow in your learning here. Your snark game is pretty solid though.

I expect the same from you. Especially after the lickondé incident.

[Elonsmusk]

I expect the same from you. Especially after the lickondé incident.

Nice tactic here. Alleging some kind of "incident" associated with me. Im not familiar with this lickondé incident or which you speak. Please clarify. Thanks.