Attacking the S & P

[Goose]

Dr. B

You may be right on scouting, but the offense sure looked very good against Kansas and Purdue. IMO, it is who is the dribbling, not just the dribbling. Jop, Ross and Sean Jones are the guys holding the ball the longest. In most cases they are not looking for the open man and have tunnel vision.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Dr. B

You may be right on scouting, but the offense sure looked very good against Kansas and Purdue. IMO, it is who is the dribbling, not just the dribbling. Jop, Ross and Sean Jones are the guys holding the ball the longest. In most cases they are not looking for the open man and have tunnel vision.

MU forced Kansas and Purdue into their worst turnover rate games of the season. If you remember, MU was down double digits to Purdue but MU's defense was spectacular. Defense led to offense and more MU possessions. MU had average shooting games.

As to your other comment, I believe it's them trying to run the Nevada offense and not taking the third priority shots that are open and where containment opponents are vacating to defend the rim.

You say they are being NIL selfish, I am saying MU coaches need to adjust to what opposing coaches are running defensively (see Shaka's record against these defenses). I really don't want to relive another day in March bemoaning why Vanilla Soft-Serve was able to stop MU defensively.

[MuggsyB]

MU forced Kansas and Purdue into their worst turnover rate games of the season. If you remember, MU was down double digits to Purdue but MU's defense was spectacular. Defense led to offense and more MU possessions. MU had average shooting games.


As to your other comment, I believe it's them trying to run the Nevada offense and not taking the third priority shots that are open and where containment opponents are vacating to defend the rim.

You say they are being NIL selfish, I am saying MU coaches need to adjust to what opposing coaches are running defensively (see Shaka's record against these defenses). I really don't want to relive another day in March bemoaning why Vanilla Soft-Serve was able to stop MU defensively.

Are you saying we should take more of the 8-10 foot J's Dr. B? 

[Dr. Blackheart]

Are you saying we should take more of the 8-10 foot J's Dr. B?

I have already pointed out the adjustments I feel should be made in many past threads weeks ago. Shaka firmly believes in his systems, however, and has great success (except against certain defenses). I'd like to see adjustments. Defenses now are going to try and muck MU up and Shaka believes in his systems and guys. Even GT was throwing up a gap containment line foul line extended trying to keep Tyler out of the lane. That's the fun of being a fan to see the point-counter point.

However, this board has some interesting theories, the latest being NIL Selfishness, as to why. That goes with the multi-arc lines, shooting background, and "I am a bad fan for pointing out my critiques", when the simplest and most obvious reason (opponents have adjusted) is dismissed.  Odd

#ISIS

[MUfan12]

I'd like to see more of this action with Jop or Kam. Make the defense make a decision and hopefully draw them out a bit.  https://twitter.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1727585915361796359?t=WwPG2JiAvVD5w1vdhcPD7A&s=19

They've been a little over-relient on the side two-man action with Oso handing off and screening. Another area where they miss Stevie. He'd make a back cut that vacated the corner to create space for the shot.

[MU82]

I seriously never once considered "thinking about NIL" as a possible part of anything going on with the team.

Maybe I'm naive, but during the course of games and practices I would be very surprised if any Marquette player gives NIL a single thought.

[Goose]

Dr. B

I will say it again, I do not think they are nil selfish as a rule. My point has been that it would be hard not to think about getting $150k raise a year from now. I would bet that MU is low on the list of guys focused on nil money.

I do think it is naive to think that no player has it run their mind. You noted Omax and I would Stevie Mitchell as two unique guys. For the third straight year there is not one player that I do not like and I am pulling for the team, plus the guys individually.

I will conclude my posts on this topic by making a general statement, I 1000% believe there are college players somewhere in D1 basketball that have nil money on their mind.

Back to the offense, I do think the improved D, especially forcing long possessions has created some of the problem. MU's offensive is best when it forces quick turnovers vs a shot clock violation. All in all, I agree with your assessment on the team and the offense.

Merry Christmas to you and your family!!

[MuggsyB]

I have already pointed out the adjustments I feel should be made in many past threads weeks ago. Shaka firmly believes in his systems, however, and has great success (except against certain defenses). I'd like to see adjustments. Defenses now are going to try and muck MU up and Shaka believes in his systems and guys. Even GT was throwing up a gap containment line foul line extended trying to keep Tyler out of the lane. That's the fun of being a fan to see the point-counter point.

However, this board has some interesting theories, the latest being NIL Selfishness, as to why. That goes with the multi-arc lines, shooting background, and "I am a bad fan for pointing out my critiques", when the simplest and most obvious reason (opponents have adjusted) is dismissed.  Odd

#ISIS

I don't make excuses.  I'd like to see more rise and fires from relatively close range if they sag.  I also think Tyko should launch a bit more. 

[tower912]

Sean is going to have to.  He gets in the lane, nobody challenges him.   He gets to the basket and his defender walls up while everybody else takes away passing lanes.

[Shooter McGavin]

Sean is going to have to.  He gets in the lane, nobody challenges him.   He gets to the basket and his defender walls up while everybody else takes away passing lanes.

Yep.  Make them pay for letting him into the lane 5 feet from the basket.

[MuggsyB]

Sean is going to have to.  He gets in the lane, nobody challenges him.   He gets to the basket and his defender walls up while everybody else takes away passing lanes.

Couldn't agree more. 

[wisblue]

Who on MU actually has a "rise and fire" shot off a dribble? They are pretty much all set shooters.

[tower912]

All part of the 5 point plan.

[WarriorFan]

The recipe for how to beat MU is published.  Wisconsin did it, St Thomas tried it and with vastly inferior talent gave MU a hard time, and now PC did it.  As much as I love Shaka's system, there are limitations.  Right now, there are handcuffs on the guys telling them never to take mid range jumpers, but Big East Tournaments and NCAA tournament games are won with mid-range jumpers.  Having said that, I would not allow everyone on the team to do it.  Shaka of course would know who's dangerous from mid-range, but I suspect it's Kolek (dangerous anywhere) and Jop (high release). 

Next time a good team packs it in the lane and the 3's are not falling, give those 2 and only those 2 the green light for some mid-range game.  Have an alternate offense set up with someone in the dunker slot and Jop at the FT line where if the D sags because of the dunker Jop can just shoot it. 

As for Kolek, just have him watch a bunch of Villanova Jalen Brunson videos.  I actually think he's already a better player than Brunson - but Brunson won so many games with his mid-range. 

[Shooter McGavin]

Who on MU actually has a "rise and fire" shot off a dribble? They are pretty much all set shooters.

They have been told it's a bad shot.  Now that defenses are adjusting I hope there are more players on our team that can do it than you think.

Agree with the poster that says many NCAA tournament games are won with a few well timed mid range shots.  Need it in the arsenal. 

[tower912]

Stevie shot a few teardrops last year.   Oso does that midrange.oush all the time.  Omax shot the pull up occasionally.   Kam has a variety of shots in the lane. 

[MuggsyB]

All part of the 5 point plan.

Tower,

Do not mock or disparage my 5 point plan.  We must relentlessly attack and know where to attack vs a myriad of defenses.  Our spurtability and barrages haven't come with the frequency I had hoped for to this point.  I believe this is a valuable discussion and we can turn the corner so to speak very quickly.

[Shooter McGavin]

Stevie shot a few teardrops last year.   Oso does that midrange.oush all the time.  Omax shot the pull up occasionally.   Kam has a variety of shots in the lane.

Oso would not be who people are talking about.  Bit agreed he should continue doing it.  Guards and forwards are the conversation. Stevie had very few shots that you are taking about and not sure he's the right guy. Omax had maybe a handful all year. 

Kam shoots a few floaters and should keep doing it. They will fall.  Agree with posters who say Joplin and Sean should have mid range options to score.  Both can't usually get all the way to the hoop but both have a means of getting a mid range shot off.  Jop because of the height and high release.  Sean because of quickness, handle and athleticism.

We'll see how it develops over this season.

[Newsdreams]

Shaka should scrape his system and install Scoop coaches system.

[tower912]

Clearly.

[Shooter McGavin]

Shaka should scrape his system and install Scoop coaches system.

100%

[#UnleashSean]

Didn't read most of the comments....

But beating physically aggressive teams.... the simplist way, is to be psychical. Oso has shy'd away from this a lot this year. It starts with him driving and hitting people on offense.

[Judge Smails]

The recipe for how to beat MU is published.  Wisconsin did it, St Thomas tried it and with vastly inferior talent gave MU a hard time, and now PC did it.  As much as I love Shaka's system, there are limitations.  Right now, there are handcuffs on the guys telling them never to take mid range jumpers, but Big East Tournaments and NCAA tournament games are won with mid-range jumpers.  Having said that, I would not allow everyone on the team to do it.  Shaka of course would know who's dangerous from mid-range, but I suspect it's Kolek (dangerous anywhere) and Jop (high release). 

Next time a good team packs it in the lane and the 3's are not falling, give those 2 and only those 2 the green light for some mid-range game.  Have an alternate offense set up with someone in the dunker slot and Jop at the FT line where if the D sags because of the dunker Jop can just shoot it. 

As for Kolek, just have him watch a bunch of Villanova Jalen Brunson videos.  I actually think he's already a better player than Brunson - but Brunson won so many games with his mid-range.

Why didn't Texas use the recipe? ND didn't use it either. Was Georgetown unable to get a hold of the recipe?

[tower912]

Some of it is talent.   Some of it is defensive philosophy.  Some of it may be that particular defensive set hasn't been installed yet.

[WarriorFan]

Why didn't Texas use the recipe? ND didn't use it either. Was Georgetown unable to get a hold of the recipe?

In addition to Tower's points, some coaches stubbornly believe that their system will win every game. 
They preach consistency, therefore cannot be "inconsistent".