Attacking the S & P

[MuggsyB]

How would you experts attack the sag and physicality we will see from numerous teams in the BEast?  I think there are times where we over drbble and play too fast and impatiently in the h-court.  I understand wanting to play with a fast tempo but I believe this team should be able to get quality shots vs any of our opponents.  My take is we should move Oso around more.  It doesn't always have to be a high pick & roll or a straight low post catch.  Anyway, where do you see our best options/areas to score vs this particular defense?  Because I'm pretty sure we'll see it fairly often. 

[Uncle Rico]

How would you experts attack the sag and physicality we will see from numerous teams in the BEast?  I think there are times where we over drbble and play too fast and impatiently in the h-court.  I understand wanting to play with a fast tempo but I believe this team should be able to get quality shots vs any of our opponents.  My take is we should move Oso around more.  It doesn't always have to be a high pick & roll or a straight low post catch.  Anyway, where do you see our best options/areas to score vs this particular defense?  Because I'm pretty sure we'll see it fairly often.

More dunks

[MU82]

More dunks

And 3s. Preferably of the made-3 variety.

[tower912]

Shoot better from 3.

[MuggsyB]

Shoot better from 3.

We shoot rhythm c&s threes fairly well but off the dribble or the walk-up trifectas we're not very good.  Too much hesitation?

[DoctorV]

I saw what appeared to be a designed play call by Shaka yesterday where Tyler flashes to the FT line and gets the pass.
Looked like a good play, not sure if it was against a zone or not.

He missed the shot, but wrinkles like that will probably be necessary against elite defensive teams that pack it in.
I think Marquette did that a bit last year against the zone too.

The obvious answer is make some shots, the problem becomes what if they aren't falling?

I like the moving Oso idea around. I know that SJ22 has his detractors but I've always liked him against elite defensive teams that are very organized and pack it in- his quickness and ability to get into the pockets and break a team down really offers a different look.
Either way, the staff will have to continue to get creative.

One other thing I've noticed is that the spacing hasn't been great of late. In the Illinois and Kansas games Marquette seemed to be spaced a ton on offense- the court looked huge.
Lately, there is a lot of dribbling in tight spaces around and inside the 3P line amongst big crowds- recipe for failure.

It's harder to space out teams that like to pack it in, but they should really try to get back to spreading the court out and attacking from one side with TyKo/Oso two man game type stuff.

[Goose]

Make the three ball and games change quickly. I have said for a couple of years that I believe this program will be a D led team moving forward and starting to see it. Transition points and made three pointers change's game plan in short order.

[tower912]

Dr. V, it was against a zone.   What was really fun is that it was the first possession against the zone, it was identified, and they went into that action quickly and seamlessly.

[Daniel]

As of late, I agree that there is too much dribbling and not enough of the snappy quick passing and moving the ball around for open looks.    We are getting open looks, nonetheless and missed a lot of them.   Not seeing as much back door flashes either.   Had a beautiful Alli-oop to Oso last evening.   Need more back door cuts and that.   But three point shooting (makes) is what will allow all of this.

Kam will be back with his elite shooting.   We need hi .  And a Stevie return will help the  cause as well

[MuggsyB]

As of late, I agree that there is too much dribbling and not enough of the snappy quick passing and moving the ball around for open looks.    We are getting open looks, nonetheless and missed a lot of them.   Not seeing as much back door flashes either.   Had a beautiful Alli-oop to Oso last evening.   Need more back door cuts and that.   But three point shooting (makes) is what will allow all of this.

Kam will be back with his elite shooting.   We need hi .  And a Stevie return will help the  cause as well

Well, maybe I'm a little out there but I think Oso is an 18 ppg scorer at the college level.  His assists are also down a full 1.1 per game.  He needs more touches imo.  You have two bona fide AA candidates, they should have the ball in their hands as much as possible. And Oso can make that 8-12 footer with regularity.  My inclination Daniel is that early in games we should make a concerted effort to get Oso the ball.  Less dribbling and let him operate with the rock consistently in our h-c possessions a la Jokic.  That doesn't mean he has to shoot but he can create more opportunities and alleviate some pressure on TyKo. 

[Goose]

Muggsy

There is way too much dribbling at the moment and it starts with Sean Jones. Kolek is the smartest dribbler I have ever seen, seldom takes one more than needed and seldom picks up dribble one short. If guys don't learn from then they will never learn.

[MuggsyB]

Muggsy

There is way too much dribbling at the moment and it starts with Sean Jones. Kolek is the smartest dribbler I have ever seen, seldom takes one more than needed and seldom picks up dribble one short. If guys don't learn from then they will never learn.

I think Kam is dribbling too much as well.  Jop of course needs to understand he's not an iso player a la Carmelo Anthony.  Too much dribbling, too much ball stopping Goose, imao. 

[GB Warrior]

Sean's game at the moment consists solely of him dribbling into trouble and finding someone hopefully open on the wing.

I don't particularly care about his 3 pt shot...I want to see him develop a floater that can keep bigs on their heels

[Goose]

Muggsy

I agree on the other two, less with Kam because he can create his own shot. Good news, if 90% of scoop sees too much dribbling it should be an easy fix for the staff.

[MuggsyB]

Sean's game at the moment consists solely of him dribbling into trouble and finding someone hopefully open on the wing.

I don't particularly care about his 3 pt shot...I want to see him develop a floater that can keep bigs on their heels

Yes.  Excellent point.  He still needs to figure out where to be effective on the floor.  He has his zoomspin move against certain match-ups but it's what he does in that painted area whether it be to score or dime drop. 

[MuggsyB]

Muggsy

I agree on the other two, less with Kam because he can create his own shot. Good news, if 90% of scoop sees too much dribbling it should be an easy fix for the staff.

I also think without Stevie we're not handling the high screen very well.  Sometimes we autoswitch and generally we get screened too easily which leads to being out of position and creates open looks for our opponents.  Whatever happened to stopping the ball?

[Goose]

One very big thing that is now part of college sports, these guys are playing for nil money. I think we have seen more individual play from guys not making real coin yet and that has hurt the chemistry. Ross, Sean and Joplin are not making big three money and they will possibly be the core next year.

IMO, being a coach is far harder today. There is a big gap in pay at MU, and most schools, and guys are playing like contract years. Now, I do not think it is a major problem, but more individual play leads me to my theory.

[Lennys Tap]

Outside of the usual simplistic snark, interesting topic and conversation.

[mugrad_89]

More ball movement, less dribbling and a concerted effort to get Oso involved early.

[MuggsyB]

Outside of the usual simplistic snark, interesting topic and conversation.

I used to have the floater and stop and pop Lenny from inside the paint.  Now in no way am I saying I was close to the player Sean Jones or any of these guys are, but it was part of my arsenal because I knew that if I went full throttle to the rim my shot would be swatted to another galaxy.  This seems like basic common sense to me.  Maybe my modest vert helped me make better decisions.  If I was 6'8 I'd be a combination of Tony Parker and Doncic. 

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Outside of the usual simplistic snark, interesting topic and conversation.

These are the snarky comments I come to scoop for

[HutchwasClutch]

I just have major concerns about Sean at this level how much he'll ever contribute. It's clear he dribbles so much because he can't get his shot off and has no tear drop or quick release yet once he's in the paint. Getting into the paint certainly is not an issue for him. 

And then he looks very tight and not confident shooting it.  He just needs to let it go with confidence. Easier said than done in the heat of game action but hopefully he'll do it. 

He's got some high level skills but needs to find a way to be a threat scoring or else his value will be pretty limited. 

[DoctorV]

I used to have the floater and stop and pop Lenny from inside the paint.  Now in no way am I saying I was close to the player Sean Jones or any of these guys are, but it was part of my arsenal because I knew that if I went full throttle to the rim my shot would be swatted to another galaxy.  This seems like basic common sense to me.  Maybe my modest vert helped me make better decisions.  If I was 6'8 I'd be a combination of Tony Parker and Doncic. 

Did you play thru HS ball or college ball too?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

One very big thing that is now part of college sports, these guys are playing for nil money. I think we have seen more individual play from guys not making real coin yet and that has hurt the chemistry. Ross, Sean and Joplin are not making big three money and they will possibly be the core next year.

IMO, being a coach is far harder today. There is a big gap in pay at MU, and most schools, and guys are playing like contract years. Now, I do think it is a major problem, but more individual play leads me to my theory.

I don't agree with this take at all

[HutchwasClutch]

I don't agree with this take at all

I don't either.