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Who sez bipartisanship is dead?

Started by MU82, December 01, 2023, 10:14:46 AM

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MU82

Buh-bye, George Santos.

You won't be missed (except as comic relief).
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MU82

Quote from: tower912 on December 01, 2023, 10:15:42 AM
Why?   Unnecessary.

Santos' fellow congresspeople agreed that he's unnecessary.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

dgies9156

Let's start with the obvious: George Santos is a dishonest crook.

That said, I have serious questions about Congress removing a member from the assembly. He's duly elected by the people he represents and that's apparently what his District wanted.

Remove him from committees, isolate his perks and don't count on him for anything. All he does is vote when a matter reaches the House floor. Instead, you now have a District in New York unrepresented for a year.

It will teach people to dig further before they vote for someone.

Jockey

Quote from: dgies9156 on December 01, 2023, 11:18:37 AM
Let's start with the obvious: George Santos is a dishonest crook.

That said, I have serious questions about Congress removing a member from the assembly. He's duly elected by the people he represents and that's apparently what his District wanted.

Remove him from committees, isolate his perks and don't count on him for anything. All he does is vote when a matter reaches the House floor. Instead, you now have a District in New York unrepresented for a year.

It will teach people to dig further before they vote for someone.

I think they actually wanted the person that George Santos SAID he was - not the person he really was.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Jockey on December 01, 2023, 11:28:02 AM
I think they actually wanted the person that George Santos SAID he was - not the person he really was.
Said every voter, everywhere, forever.

GOO

Quote from: dgies9156 on December 01, 2023, 11:18:37 AM
Let's start with the obvious: George Santos is a dishonest crook.

That said, I have serious questions about Congress removing a member from the assembly. He's duly elected by the people he represents and that's apparently what his District wanted.

Remove him from committees, isolate his perks and don't count on him for anything. All he does is vote when a matter reaches the House floor. Instead, you now have a District in New York unrepresented for a year.

It will teach people to dig further before they vote for someone.

I more or less agree with this, despite how crazy this all is, the standard to remove should be even more extreme cases, too easy to abuse this power.

But if his constituents really want him back in office, I suppose they can vote him back in... :)

tower912

Lying to his constituents on virtually every level?   Meh.    Vote him out next time.      Complete and utter disregard for even the most lenient of fundraising laws?   That is an ethics problem worthy of expulsion.    He invented new ways to break laws.   Kudos for creativity, I guess.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

muwarrior69

Mean while Bob Menendez is still serving in the Senate.

Jockey

Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 01, 2023, 01:31:06 PM
Mean while Bob Menendez is still serving in the Senate.

And republicans aren't calling for his resignation. Why wouldn't these bastions of integrity call for his expulsion?

They want to use it for fundraising, obviously. But D voters are not like R voters. He will be ousted by Dems in the primary.

rocket surgeon

Quote from: Jockey on December 01, 2023, 02:30:00 PM
And republicans aren't calling for his resignation. Why wouldn't these bastions of integrity call for his expulsion?

They want to use it for fundraising, obviously. But D voters are not like R voters. He will be ousted by Dems in the primary.

  as usual, the people who put ice cream breath in position got it arse backwards

anything about eric swallow sleeping with a chinese spy while serving on the homeland security committee?  priceless

it's called projection
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

SoCalEagle

Quote from: dgies9156 on December 01, 2023, 11:18:37 AM
Let's start with the obvious: George Santos is a dishonest crook.

That said, I have serious questions about Congress removing a member from the assembly. He's duly elected by the people he represents and that's apparently what his District wanted.

Remove him from committees, isolate his perks and don't count on him for anything. All he does is vote when a matter reaches the House floor. Instead, you now have a District in New York unrepresented for a year.

It will teach people to dig further before they vote for someone.

This is where you lost me.  They did not vote for him. They voted for the man he falsely claimed to be.  The lies he told voters were way over the top and seriously egregious.  Not just exaggerations, but multiple outlandish lies.  Fake resume, fake degree, misuse of campaign funds to the level he will probably go to jail for it.  If you did these things to get a job and your employer found out about it what do you think would happen? 

The standard that, until convicted of a crime, he can't be removed from office is ridiculous.  There have to be some standards that must be met before you can serve in office, no? 


Pakuni

Quote from: rocket surgeon on December 01, 2023, 05:17:05 PM
  anything about eric swallow sleeping with a chinese spy while serving on the homeland security committee?  priceless

Yeah. A House committee investigated and found nothing.
Always behind, Rocket

https://thehill.com/homenews/4018047-house-ethics-concludes-swalwell-probe-into-link-to-chinese-spy-taking-no-action/

Uncle Rico

Quote from: rocket surgeon on December 01, 2023, 05:17:05 PM
  as usual, the people who put ice cream breath in position got it arse backwards

anything about eric swallow sleeping with a chinese spy while serving on the homeland security committee?  priceless

it's called projection

9 out of 10
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Jockey on December 01, 2023, 02:30:00 PM
And republicans aren't calling for his resignation. Why wouldn't these bastions of integrity call for his expulsion?

They want to use it for fundraising, obviously. But D voters are not like R voters. He will be ousted by Dems in the primary.

Democrats control the Senate, not Republicans. And while some have called for him to RESIGN, none (to my knowledge) have advocated for his expulsion. A lot of the resignation noise comes from Dem Senators up for re-election trying to get ahead of the issue. It's all politics (this and Santos) and to suggest otherwise is naively partisan. The idea that George Santos will be renominated by the Rs is scary stupid.

TSmith34, Inc.

#15
Quote from: rocket surgeon on December 01, 2023, 05:17:05 PM
  as usual, the people who put ice cream breath in position got it arse backwards

anything about eric swallow sleeping with a chinese spy while serving on the homeland security committee?  priceless

it's called projection
100 out of 10

Rico is way too hard of a grader.

Ice cream breath? Check
Eric swallow? Check
Alternate facts completely disconnected from reality? Check
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

Pakuni

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 01, 2023, 06:29:56 PM
Democrats control the Senate, not Republicans. And while some have called for him to RESIGN, none (to my knowledge) have advocated for his expulsion. A lot of the resignation noise comes from Dem Senators up for re-election trying to get ahead of the issue. It's all politics (this and Santos) and to suggest otherwise is naively partisan. The idea that George Santos will be renominated by the Rs is scary stupid.

While it's true that Dems have the slimmest of majorities in the Senate, it's also true that expelling him would require a 2/3rds majority vote ... so 16 Republicans at a minimum.
And, interestingly enough (wink wink) the Republicans are among those most vocally opposed to his ouster. Including your guy, Tom Cotton.
In fact, while a couple dozen Democrats have called on Menendez to resign, I don't believe any Republicans have.
Now why might that be?

https://www.axios.com/2023/09/26/bob-menendez-bribery-indictment-republicans

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Pakuni on December 01, 2023, 07:19:06 PM
While it's true that Dems have the slimmest of majorities in the Senate, it's also true that expelling him would require a 2/3rds majority vote ... so 16 Republicans at a minimum.
And, interestingly enough (wink wink) the Republicans are among those most vocally opposed to his ouster. Including your guy, Tom Cotton.
In fact, while a couple dozen Democrats have called on Menendez to resign, I don't believe any Republicans have.
Now why might that be?

https://www.axios.com/2023/09/26/bob-menendez-bribery-indictment-republicans

Of course Dems want him to resign. Not because he's a crook, but because he's an embarrassment, especially to those up for re-election. They don't want to expel him and get their hands dirty though. They want him to go - quietly..

lawdog77

Quote from: SoCalEagle on December 01, 2023, 05:17:15 PM
This is where you lost me.  They did not vote for him. They voted for the man he falsely claimed to be.  The lies he told voters were way over the top and seriously egregious.  Not just exaggerations, but multiple outlandish lies.  Fake resume, fake degree, misuse of campaign funds to the level he will probably go to jail for it.  If you did these things to get a job and your employer found out about it what do you think would happen? 

The standard that, until convicted of a crime, he can't be removed from office is ridiculous.  There have to be some standards that must be met before you can serve in office, no?
New picture of Congress showing members who have kept their campaign promises. Politicians suck.

Not A Serious Person

#19
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 01, 2023, 11:18:37 AM
Let's start with the obvious: George Santos is a dishonest crook.

That said, I have serious questions about Congress removing a member from the assembly. He's duly elected by the people he represents and that's apparently what his District wanted.

Remove him from committees, isolate his perks and don't count on him for anything. All he does is vote when a matter reaches the House floor. Instead, you now have a District in New York unrepresented for a year.

It will teach people to dig further before they vote for someone.


Santos is the sixth member of the House to be expelled

In 1861 three members were expelled for supporting the Confederate rebellion.

In 1980 Congressman Mike Myers was expelled AFTER he was CONVICTED of taking bribes (Abscam) while serving in the House.

In 2002 Congressman James Traficant was expelled AFTER he was CONVICTED on ten counts including bribery, conspiracy to defraud the United States, corruption, obstruction of justice, tax evasion, and racketeering while serving in the House.

So until yesterday the only reason a congressman was expelled was either supporting the Confederacy or being convicted for crimes committed while serving in the House.

Santos was neither of these. So yesterday the House lowered the standard for expulsion.  This is a dangerous precedent.

—-

Is Santos a scumbag... Yes
Should he be in Congress.... No

But it's not for the other members of the House to remove him. 

His District can recall him or vote him out.



Western Progressives have one worldview, the correct one.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Shocked that Heisey is a hypocrite about this too. 
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

4everwarriors

Last I checked the BOTUS still occupies the White House, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Uncle Rico

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 02, 2023, 07:37:53 AM
Last I checked the BOTUS still occupies the White House, hey?

Yeah, he routed the previous guy
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.