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Re: 2024 Mock Drafts
« Reply #200 on: June 21, 2024, 09:16:01 PM »
It does matter, because it shows they are coachable. Kolek, in particular, has two elite skills, his shooting and his pick n roll play. When he arrived here, he shot poorly and completely reworked his shot and he was mediocre in pick n roll and became the best in the country.

That demonstrates his third elite skill, which is how receptive he is to coaching. That is obviously something that matters.

A senior who is receptive to coaching is not an “elite skill”. It’s the norm. Next year we’ll have 3 seniors on our roster - Stevie, Kam and Jop. They’re all receptive to coaching. If they weren’t they wouldn’t still be here.

You’re grasping at straws to make a point that doesn’t exist.

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Re: 2024 Mock Drafts
« Reply #201 on: June 21, 2024, 09:21:32 PM »
A senior who is receptive to coaching is not an “elite skill”. It’s the norm. Next year we’ll have 3 seniors on our roster - Stevie, Kam and Jop. They’re all receptive to coaching. If they weren’t they wouldn’t still be here.

You’re grasping at straws to make a point that doesn’t exist.

Lol I’d love to see poll results from high major head coaches on whether seniors are receptive to coaching or not.
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Re: 2024 Mock Drafts
« Reply #202 on: June 21, 2024, 09:30:30 PM »
Lol I’d love to see poll results from high major head coaches on whether seniors are receptive to coaching or not.

Seniors who have been in a program with a coach for 4 years vs freshman or sophomores looking for the early exit to the NBA - who’s more receptive to coaching?

Duh

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« Reply #203 on: June 21, 2024, 09:46:34 PM »
Seniors who have been in a program with a coach for 4 years vs freshman or sophomores looking for the early exit to the NBA - who’s more receptive to coaching?

Duh

Why do you assume that talented players who leave for the NBA aren’t receptive to coaching?
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Re: 2024 Mock Drafts
« Reply #204 on: June 21, 2024, 09:49:28 PM »
Oso played 8 games against Clingan and Edey the last two seasons. But the scouts will be more interested in games against DJ Burns and Eddie Lampkin?

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« Reply #205 on: June 21, 2024, 10:18:49 PM »
Oso played 8 games against Clingan and Edey the last two seasons. But the scouts will be more interested in games against DJ Burns and Eddie Lampkin?

If you are to believe some here, yes.
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Re: 2024 Mock Drafts
« Reply #206 on: June 22, 2024, 06:41:43 AM »
A senior who is receptive to coaching is not an “elite skill”. It’s the norm. Next year we’ll have 3 seniors on our roster - Stevie, Kam and Jop. They’re all receptive to coaching. If they weren’t they wouldn’t still be here.

You’re grasping at straws to make a point that doesn’t exist.

So you would say that Tyler's improvement from GMU/MU Year One is the norm? I look forward to our five All-American roster next year then.
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Re: 2024 Mock Drafts
« Reply #207 on: June 22, 2024, 07:04:19 AM »
Why do you assume that talented players who leave for the NBA aren’t receptive to coaching?

I think it’s logical that players who need 4 years of college to have any shot at the NBA would be more receptive to coaching than those preordained for the league marking time for a year.

Do you believe it’s an “elite skill” to be receptive to coaching?


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« Reply #208 on: June 22, 2024, 07:16:06 AM »
I think it’s logical that players who need 4 years of college to have any shot at the NBA would be more receptive to coaching than those preordained for the league marking time for a year.

Do you believe it’s an “elite skill” to be receptive to coaching?


That's not logical at all. I don't think there is much correlation (if any) between being talented enough to make the NBA and being receptive to coaching.
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« Reply #209 on: June 22, 2024, 09:11:34 AM »

That's not logical at all. I don't think there is much correlation (if any) between being talented enough to make the NBA and being receptive to coaching.

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« Reply #210 on: June 22, 2024, 03:14:58 PM »

That's not logical at all. I don't think there is much correlation (if any) between being talented enough to make the NBA and being receptive to coaching.

I 100% disagree.All in for 4 years is much different than marking time and passing through.

You never answered my question.

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« Reply #211 on: June 22, 2024, 03:32:24 PM »
I 100% disagree.All in for 4 years is much different than marking time and passing through.

You never answered my question.

Disagree all you want. You make a habit out of being wrong. Another entry on a long list.

And I answered your question.
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« Reply #212 on: June 22, 2024, 03:34:30 PM »
Disagree all you want. You make a habit out of being wrong. Another entry on a long list.

And I answered your question.

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« Reply #213 on: June 22, 2024, 03:37:42 PM »
Liar


Nope


I don't think there is much correlation (if any) between being talented enough to make the NBA and being receptive to coaching.

I await your apology.
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« Reply #214 on: June 22, 2024, 05:56:10 PM »

Nope


I await your apology.

? Brew stated that being receptive to coaching was an “elite skill”. I think that’s absurd. I asked you if you thought being receptive to coaching was an elite skill. You never answered the question.

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« Reply #215 on: June 22, 2024, 05:58:20 PM »
? Brew stated that being receptive to coaching was an “elite skill”. I think that’s absurd. I asked you if you thought being receptive to coaching was an elite skill. You never answered the question.

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Yes I did. I the quote I provided.

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« Reply #216 on: June 22, 2024, 06:47:43 PM »
? Brew stated that being receptive to coaching was an “elite skill”. I think that’s absurd. I asked you if you thought being receptive to coaching was an elite skill. You never answered the question.

You are misstating what I said. I said it was an elite skill of Tyler's. Not everyone who is coached is as good as Tyler is at being coached. If you can't see the difference his ability to respond to coaching had on his development here, you must not have tuned in the past three years, because it was very obvious.
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« Reply #217 on: June 22, 2024, 07:11:33 PM »
You are misstating what I said.

Lenny? Misstating what you said?

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« Reply #218 on: June 22, 2024, 07:19:53 PM »
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Yes I did. I the quote I provided.

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« Reply #219 on: June 22, 2024, 08:46:28 PM »
You are misstating what I said. I said it was an elite skill of Tyler's. Not everyone who is coached is as good as Tyler is at being coached. If you can't see the difference his ability to respond to coaching had on his development here, you must not have tuned in the past three years, because it was very obvious.
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« Reply #220 on: June 23, 2024, 07:23:14 AM »
Somebody mistakes what somebody said? Amazing! Yet that is SOP on Scoop

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« Reply #221 on: June 23, 2024, 08:33:49 AM »
I 100% disagree.All in for 4 years is much different than marking time and passing through.

You never answered my question.

That's a pretty lazy stereotype.
Just because a kid has the talent to jump to the pros early doesn't mean he's less committed to his college program or "marking time."

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« Reply #222 on: June 23, 2024, 08:55:05 AM »
That's a pretty lazy stereotype.
Just because a kid has the talent to jump to the pros early doesn't mean he's less committed to his college program or "marking time."

Yep. Carmelo Anthony "marked time" at Syracuse and Anthony Davis "passed through" Kentucky while winning their coaches their only national titles. Stephon Castle sure worked hard last season for a guy just marking his time at UConn. Etc etc etc.
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« Reply #223 on: June 23, 2024, 10:42:30 AM »
From The Athletic:

Tyler Kolek | 6-1 guard | 23 years old | Marquette
College assistant coach No. 1 (his team played Marquette): Unbelievable worker. I did not know he would turn out like this. I think the stars aligned, getting a guy like Oso (Ighadaro) next to him, and a coach like Shaka (Smart). He’s been incredible.

College assistant coach No. 2 (his team played Marquette): Obviously he’s smart, sees the play before the play. He’s not a great shooter, I don’t care what they say. He’s not a great shooter. But he can run a team. I don’t get the Steve Nash comparisons. But, good player. Tough, one of those tough White guys that can hoop with the brothers all day. He’s just smart. Heady. Not overly athletic. But he’s tough. Good player.

Eastern Conference executive No. 2: I’m not as high on him as others. But I see what they see. You can’t count him out. It’s like TJ (McConnell). Nobody thought he’d make the league, and he made the league. And Kolek is the same type of guy. But the difference is, TJ is quick, and Kolek is not quick. I wouldn’t bet against him, but I’m not as high on him.

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« Reply #224 on: June 23, 2024, 11:21:29 AM »
Yep. Carmelo Anthony "marked time" at Syracuse

Yes he did. He’s a great example of a guy with unbelievable talent who never became the complete player he could have been.