Are you a Warrior or a Golden Eagle?

[Dickthedribbler]

I have avoided public discussion of this subject for years, because of what it ultimately will devolve into. No thanks. I'm surprised this thread has lasted this long without the obligatory " if you support Warriors you're a racist ". " I'm a racist"? "No, you're a racist". " No, you and your mother are racists". "Oh yeah, so's your old man".

[Jay Bee]

I have avoided public discussion of this subject for years, because of what it ultimately will devolve into. No thanks.

"No thanks, except let me speak on it for a bit"

[The Sultan]

I have avoided public discussion of this subject for years, because of what it ultimately will devolve into. No thanks. I'm surprised this thread has lasted this long without the obligatory " if you support Warriors you're a racist ". " I'm a racist"? "No, you're a racist". " No, you and your mother are racists". "Oh yeah, so's your old man".

I don't recall this topic ever devolving into that.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the term "Warriors." At all. IMO there was something wrong with the use of Native imagery to go along with that nickname. Had Marquette dropped the use of such imagery earlier, they would still be Warriors today. Instead the University tried to make it "respectful" Native imagery, and it just never worked.

So they made the decision to change it. Was that because they felt that the association with the Native imagery would never go away? Was it because of a rumored deal with the Potawanomi on the Valley Fields project? Both?  Someone knows....I don't...but I do know it will never go back.

And that's fine. It's just a school nickname.

[Dickthedribbler]

That oughta get the ball rolling. Kind of a mild start, though.

[Skatastrophy]

Didn't the Potawatomi give us Valley Fields in exchange for changing our name from the warriors? Or is that just a rumor?

[BrewCity83]

Didn't the Potawatomi give us Valley Fields in exchange for changing our name from the warriors? Or is that just a rumor?

That's the rumor I've heard.  I think they threw in some $$$ as well.  Would love to hear confirmation of that from someone who knows for sure.

[The Sultan]

Didn't the Potawatomi give us Valley Fields in exchange for changing our name from the warriors? Or is that just a rumor?

It's a rumor. Not sure its based in reality in any way.

[MU_B]

I don't recall this topic ever devolving into that.

That was my first thought as well.

[Uncle Rico]

That was my first thought as well.

Some people just want it to.

[tower912]

Dtd, 'Warriors' is not in and of itself racist.  I miss it.   When I see the old logos posted by Viper in the MU court thread, I understand why native American tribes pressured MU to move away from Warriors.    Those are odious and unacceptable.    Granted, MU had already moved away from them, but not far enough or fast enough.   And because that imagery would always be around as long as the Warriors nickname was associated with MU, a clean break was probably the best solution. 
     Still, 30 years later,  we have posters using this imagery as a laugh, to make a point, or as an avatar.    I think the native American tribes may have had a point.   
  So, I miss the Warriors nickname, but every time I see the old logos, I understand why it is gone forever.

[Viper]

Dtd, 'Warriors' is not in and of itself racist.  I miss it.   When I see the old logos posted by Viper in the MU court thread, I understand why native American tribes pressured MU to move away from Warriors.    Those are odious and unacceptable.    Granted, MU had already moved away from them, but not far enough or fast enough.   And because that imagery would always be around as long as the Warriors nickname was associated with MU, a clean break was probably the best solution. 
     Still, 30 years later,  we have posters using this imagery as a laugh, to make a point, or as an avatar.    I think the native American tribes may have had a point.   
  So, I miss the Warriors nickname, but every time I see the old logos, I understand why it is gone forever.

...I just wish the BOD's had listened to some of the great points made by my ol buddy The First Warrior in favor of remaining Warriors. I know he made attempts to connect. But, got nowhere. And, the decision was pretty much made to move in the current direction...as St. John's had done, Miami/Ohio and others, but I do miss Warriors. (Maybe I'd feel better about it if Golden Eagles was not the nickname. Fortunately, imo, most swag is 'MU' and less Golden Eagles)

[Viper]

Dtd, 'Warriors' is not in and of itself racist.  I miss it.   When I see the old logos posted by Viper in the MU court thread, I understand why native American tribes pressured MU to move away from Warriors.    Those are odious and unacceptable.    Granted, MU had already moved away from them, but not far enough or fast enough.   And because that imagery would always be around as long as the Warriors nickname was associated with MU, a clean break was probably the best solution. 
     Still, 30 years later,  we have posters using this imagery as a laugh, to make a point, or as an avatar.    I think the native American tribes may have had a point.   
  So, I miss the Warriors nickname, but every time I see the old logos, I understand why it is gone forever.

btw, this was The First Warrior either  '83 or '84 at Schroeder Hall 10-north! I believe getting ready prior to the ND game at the MECCA. (When a bunch of us get together, he'll often bring up a big game/great experience being TFW)

[lawdog77]

...I just wish the BOD's had listened to some of the great points made by my ol buddy The First Warrior in favor of remaining Warriors. I know he made attempts to connect. But, got nowhere. And, the decision was pretty much made to move in the current direction

[The Sultan]

btw, this was The First Warrior either  '83 or '84 at Schroeder Hall 10-north! I believe getting ready prior to the ND game at the MECCA. (When a bunch of us get together, he'll often bring up a big game/great experience being TFW)

Yeah this is what I meant by "respectful Native imagery."  This is way better than the Willie Wampum nonsense, and clearly Marquette tried to do something that had meaning. And I'm glad your friend has fond memories.  But that was never going to be sustainable.

When they dropped Willie, and they had gone in the direction of something like Wisconsin Lutheran College has now, they will still be Warriors now.

https://wlcsports.com/sports/2022/5/24/fans-mascot.aspx

[Spotcheck Billy]

I'll just cheer for Southern Indiana only this year 

^ ban dis guy

[Galway Eagle]

Yeah this is what I meant by "respectful Native imagery."  This is way better than the Willie Wampum nonsense, and clearly Marquette tried to do something that had meaning. And I'm glad your friend has fond memories.  But that was never going to be sustainable.

When they dropped Willie, and they had gone in the direction of something like Wisconsin Lutheran College has now, they will still be Warriors now.

https://wlcsports.com/sports/2022/5/24/fans-mascot.aspx

That's offensive to anyone still feeling the effects of the crusades.

[21Jumpstreet]

Some of us from that time frame were Warriors the entire time, hey.

I still recall "the vote" we were "allowed" to make. I will try to keep the memories from getting me riled up. Or maybe I'll just cheer for Southern Indiana only this year bc they have one of our AAU kids on the roster

Ah yes, the vote. I'm a War Eagle

[wiscwarrior]

Ah yes, the vote. I'm a War Eagle

I think that name would've been a great compromise!

[Galway Eagle]

I think that name would've been a great compromise!

Hell golden warriors could've worked and just done a similar golden knight concept the Vegas NHL team or UCF.

[Skatastrophy]

I remember driving up to Milwaukee from Chicago for a meeting and I heard Bob and Brian on Laser 103 talking about Marquette having switched from the Golden Eagles to the Gold. I thought it was some weird prank.

[Jay Bee]

Remember when the TBT team had the Ultimate Warrior logo? Then they got canceled.

[Uncle Rico]

Remember when the TBT team had the Ultimate Warrior logo? Then they got canceled.

Did they not get to play? 

[Galway Eagle]

Did they not get to play?

Idk if you're serious or not on this one but they for a second tried to change to "Ultimate warriors" a play on the wrestler's logo but with an Eagle instead of the paint. It was actually a clever design paying homage to both past and present (and a wrestler) but apparently the Ultimate Warrior isn't a guy you want to pay tribute to.

[Uncle Rico]

Idk if you're serious or not on this one but they for a second tried to change to "Ultimate warriors" a play on the wrestler's logo but with an Eagle instead of the paint. It was actually a clever design paying homage to both past and present (and a wrestler) but apparently the Ultimate Warrior isn't a guy you want to pay tribute to.

They got to play?  So, they didn't get cancelled. 

[Galway Eagle]

They got to play?  So, they didn't get cancelled.

The team? No. The logo? Yes, they quite literally canceled it and returned to previous branding before using it in any games.