2024 Coaching Carousel

[Uncle Rico]

Cities scare me. 

[The Sultan]

math:  725 > 515 
feelings:  N/A

Again, if you want to look at one data point to determine what "violent crime" is, go right ahead. It certainly doesn't give you the entire picture, but hey if it enforces the narrative you have been fed, it probably makes you feel good too.

In the meantime I will put another Scooper on my "not to be taken seriously" list. It's getting really long.

[Judge Smails]

In before the lock

[Uncle Rico]

Again, if you want to look at one data point to determine what "violent crime" is, go right ahead. It certainly doesn't give you the entire picture, but hey if it enforces the narrative you have been fed, it probably makes you feel good too.

In the meantime I will put another Scooper on my "not to be taken seriously" list. It's getting really long.

Per capita, according to Yellowstone, living in Montana is FAR more dangerous than living in any major city

[Osiris]

Again, if you want to look at one data point to determine what "violent crime" is, go right ahead. It certainly doesn't give you the entire picture, but hey if it enforces the narrative you have been fed, it probably makes you feel good too.

In the meantime I will put another Scooper on my "not to be taken seriously" list. It's getting really long.

Me thinks you project too much.  I have made no statement, interjected no commentary, nor voiced any "feelings" regarding crime rates or the city of Chicago.  Frankly, I have none, nor the interest to acquire them.  My critique was simply on your reading comprehension as the link you provided, presumably in support of your premise, did nothing but undermine it.

[lawdog77]

I guess if you think homicides are the only example of "violent crime"...

The fact is the number of violent crimes in Chicago has decreased from 20 years ago. You can continue to argue with "statistics" and "math," but they will likely remain undefeated.

Or you can continue to base your opinions on things like "feelings" and "what other people are telling you." Just know that no one will take you seriously.

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/chicago-sees-total-crime-drop-but-most-violent-crimes-up-over-decade/

The troubling stat , to me, is the arrest rate.

Wondering what the conviction rate is

[Dr. Blackheart]

We can hold many things as true at the same time, can we not?

Chicago area is incredible.  Amazing job and career opportunities, magnificent urban lakefront beauty, arts, cosmopolitan population, restaurant scene etc.

Chicago area is expensive.  High taxes, rent and cost of home ownership.

Chicago area has a lot of violent crime, and that sucks.

IL/Chicago taxes are high, especially relative to the south. But don't fool yourself on taxes - not so high compared to WI.

If you are a retiree, you can live on a rural lake in Illinois and you likely will pay less in taxes than if you lived on a comparable WI setting (though that WI setting likely will be much more beautiful!).  Or you can live in Chicago and pay less in taxes than you would as a retiree in Milwaukee.

This is because: 1) Wisconsin real estate taxes are not low (WI ranks 44 out of 51 jurisdictions; IL 50th); and 2) Illinois doesn't not tax SSI, pension, IRA. 401k.  WI, which has a higher top income tax rate than IL (yes, that's right), taxes IRA's, non-governmental pensions and 401k's (like IL, WI does not tax SSI).  And remember, on non-retirement type income, WI is higher than IL.

Chicago/Cook County kills you with sales taxes, but WI also is high, and if you live outside of the city/Cook County, state sales tax isn't that different (5% to 6.25%)

Back to the topic at hand:  I'd rather coach at MU than any school in Illinois.

Seven figure invoice incoming

[LloydsLegs]

Just to anyone who replies

[Dr. Blackheart]

Just to anyone who replies

AARP discounts given?

[Scoop Snoop]

AARP discounts given?

If they are, that's all I need to know. I'm in.

[LloydsLegs]

AARP discounts given?

Yes (but note that the tax advice on the discount results in higher invoice)

[warriorchick]

IL/Chicago taxes are high, especially relative to the south. But don't fool yourself on taxes - not so high compared to WI.

If you are a retiree, you can live on a rural lake in Illinois and you likely will pay less in taxes than if you lived on a comparable WI setting (though that WI setting likely will be much more beautiful!).  Or you can live in Chicago and pay less in taxes than you would as a retiree in Milwaukee.

This is because: 1) Wisconsin real estate taxes are not low (WI ranks 44 out of 51 jurisdictions; IL 50th); and 2) Illinois doesn't not tax SSI, pension, IRA. 401k.  WI, which has a higher top income tax rate than IL (yes, that's right), taxes IRA's, non-governmental pensions and 401k's (like IL, WI does not tax SSI).  And remember, on non-retirement type income, WI is higher than IL.

Chicago/Cook County kills you with sales taxes, but WI also is high, and if you live outside of the city/Cook County, state sales tax isn't that different (5% to 6.25%)

What does this stuff have to do with my original post, which is about attracting a coach to DePaul?

He will definitely not be retired.  He will definitely have to live in the Chicago area (most likely right in the city because driving to Lincoln Park in the sucky traffic would take away valuable coaching time).  And any coach who puts in the typical number of hours required by a high-D1 program won't have time to take advantage of much, if any, of the fun stuff there is to do in Chicago.  I am not going to bother to correct your inaccuracies on your "facts" about Illinois taxes.

And if you charge me, I will just send you a bill for the financial advice.   

[wadesworld]

Chicago sucks, but no because of the crime or cost of living.

The pizza is pretty and food in general are pretty good, though.

[Dr. Blackheart]

What does this stuff have to do with my original post, which is about attracting a coach to DePaul?

He will definitely not be retired.  He will definitely have to live in the Chicago area (most likely right in the city because driving to Lincoln Park in the sucky traffic would take away valuable coaching time).  And any coach who puts in the typical number of hours required by a high-D1 program won't have time to take advantage of much, if any, of the fun stuff there is to do in Chicago.  I am not going to bother to correct your inaccuracies on your "facts" about Illinois taxes.

And if you charge me, I will just send you a bill for the financial advice.   

Scoop fight, Scoop fight, uh ah!!

And to correct you, Huggy is 70 and retired. And he can snowbird a half a year and a day in West Virginia.

[LloydsLegs]

What does this stuff have to do with my original post, which is about attracting a coach to DePaul?

He will definitely not be retired.  He will definitely have to live in the Chicago area (most likely right in the city because driving to Lincoln Park in the sucky traffic would take away valuable coaching time).  And any coach who puts in the typical number of hours required by a high-D1 program won't have time to take advantage of much, if any, of the fun stuff there is to do in Chicago.  I am not going to bother to correct your inaccuracies on your "facts" about Illinois taxes.

And if you charge me, I will just send you a bill for the financial advice.   

Very little- you'd have to read the insanity after you post!

[The Sultan]

Me thinks you project too much.  I have made no statement, interjected no commentary, nor voiced any "feelings" regarding crime rates or the city of Chicago.  Frankly, I have none, nor the interest to acquire them.  My critique was simply on your reading comprehension as the link you provided, presumably in support of your premise, did nothing but undermine it.

Oh. So you cherry-picked one datapoint. Thanks for the confirmation.

And you're lying about your feelings. Pretty obviously.

[Galway Eagle]

Pros:
1. world class arts scene

2. World class food scene, there's a reason the Michelin guide's here. But beyond that The Bear isn't taking place at a butter burger stand in Milwaukee. Even the cheap dive spots are unique. Heck people loved MU gyros, where do you think those Kronos gyros they used were made?

3. Every sport (pretend you don't care about Hockey all you want if MKE or whatever city you're in had it you'd be a fan, same if the packers moved to Milwaukee area)

4. Density, transit, and non Euclidean zoning. Modern zoning practices are the reason that sprawl suburbs exist, reason that car centric infrastrure became necessary that set the stage for big box stores and now Amazon to grow to the insane level they are. Heck even the reason the drinking age is 21 is because driving. The walkability in Chicago is superior to pretty much every major city outside of New York. Philly's probably on par, with a couple others.

5. Lake front

6. Architecture

Cons:

1. Taxes, ok I'll give this one it sucks. At least the waters clean and main beaches are pristine.

2. Corruption, people who crap on Chicago have double standards here based on their political preference.

3. Crime, every big city has it. It's definitely a concerning rising trend in Chicago because the old "it's only the south and west sides" isn't a thing anymore. Still crime rate is better than hard numbers for context.

4. Cost of Living, I'd say for a global city it's cheap relative to NYC, & LA, plus smaller cities like San Fran, Boston, Denver, and Seattle are all more costly. But yes, an average service industry worker or entry level employee isn't living in an idealistic spot and home values are a bit inflated relative to size.

Debatable:

1. Weather, I'd prefer a sustainable living spot with snow a few months than paying for bottled water filled with microplastic in Phoenix, breathing in smoke for 6 months in California, or hurricanes in Florida but that's me. Plus, as someone who's training for a marathon during this winter, to quote the Scandinavians "there's no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothes"


Idk why people have to have this "Chicagos terrible!" Or "Chicagos a utopia!". It has its issues and it has its benefits. But personally if I lived in a car centric, cookie cutter suburb and hour away rather than immediately say it's a hell hole I'd take an Introspective at if my issues with it are my own doing by "othering" urban locations, or forcing myself to drive in snow, or spending so little time in Chicago that it becomes associated with work or a becomes a stressful chore to get to town and explore.

[Uncle Rico]

Pros:
1. world class arts scene

2. World class food scene, there's a reason the Michelin guide's here. But beyond that The Bear isn't taking place at a butter burger stand in Milwaukee. Even the cheap dive spots are unique. Heck people loved MU gyros, where do you think those Kronos gyros they used were made?

3. Every sport (pretend you don't care about Hockey all you want if MKE or whatever city you're in had it you'd be a fan, same if the packers moved to Milwaukee area)

4. Density, transit, and non Euclidean zoning. Modern zoning practices are the reason that sprawl suburbs exist, reason that car centric infrastrure became necessary that set the stage for big box stores and now Amazon to grow to the insane level they are. Heck even the reason the drinking age is 21 is because driving. The walkability in Chicago is superior to pretty much every major city outside of New York. Philly's probably on par, with a couple others.

5. Lake front

6. Architecture

Cons:

1. Taxes, ok I'll give this one it sucks. At least the waters clean and main beaches are pristine.

2. Corruption, people who crap on Chicago have double standards here based on their political preference.

3. Crime, every big city has it. It's definitely a concerning rising trend in Chicago because the old "it's only the south and west sides" isn't a thing anymore. Still crime rate is better than hard numbers for context.

4. Cost of Living, I'd say for a global city it's cheap relative to NYC, & LA, plus smaller cities like San Fran, Boston, Denver, and Seattle are all more costly. But yes, an average service industry worker or entry level employee isn't living in an idealistic spot and home values are a bit inflated relative to size.

Debatable:

1. Weather, I'd prefer a sustainable living spot with snow a few months than paying for bottled water filled with microplastic in Phoenix, breathing in smoke for 6 months in California, or hurricanes in Florida but that's me. Plus, as someone who's training for a marathon during this winter, to quote the Scandinavians "there's no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothes"


Idk why people have to have this "Chicagos terrible!" Or "Chicagos a utopia!". It has its issues and it has its benefits. But personally if I lived in a car centric, cookie cutter suburb and hour away rather than immediately say it's a hell hole I'd take an Introspective at if my issues with it are my own doing by "othering" urban locations, or forcing myself to drive in snow, or spending so little time in Chicago that it becomes associated with work or a becomes a stressful chore to get to town and explore.

All cities, regardless of size, have pluses and minuses.  All people, regardless of their backgrounds, have preferences for the place they choose to live.

[lawdog77]

All cities, regardless of size, have pluses and minuses.  All people, regardless of their backgrounds, have preferences for the place they choose to live.

Except Dayton

[Pakuni]

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/chicago-sees-total-crime-drop-but-most-violent-crimes-up-over-decade/

The troubling stat , to me, is the arrest rate.

Wondering what the conviction rate is

Lazy union workers, hey?

[Lennys Tap]

I guess if you think homicides are the only example of "violent crime"...

The fact is the number of violent crimes in Chicago has decreased from 20 years ago. You can continue to argue with "statistics" and "math," but they will likely remain undefeated.

Homicides are not the only examples of violent crime. But they are the ultimate example and the easiest one to accurately measure. The fact the the murder rate is up 40% in the last 10 years is pretty staggering.

[The Sultan]

Homicides are not the only examples of violent crime. But they are the ultimate example and the easiest one to accurately measure. The fact the the murder rate is up 40% in the last 10 years is pretty staggering.

It's actually an incredibly small portion of violent crime.  In 2022, there were about 25,000 instances of violent crime in Chicago.  Homicides were something like 2% of that. 

And of course this means that the average person in Chicago had less than a 1% chance of being the victim of a violent crime. But whatever drives the clicks right?

I'm sure prospective De Paul coaches are shuddering at that. 

[Lennys Tap]

It's actually an incredibly small portion of violent crime.  In 2022, there were about 25,000 instances of violent crime in Chicago.  Homicides were something like 2% of that. 

And of course this means that the average person in Chicago had less than a 1% chance of being the victim of a violent crime. But whatever drives the clicks right?

I'm sure prospective De Paul coaches are shuddering at that. 

I don't give a sh!t about DePaul or their coach being "scared". But you're being disingenuous as usual when you give equal weight statistically to guys getting punched in bar fights (down) to guys getting killed (up).

[Newsdreams]

Frankly I'm worried being around FiFo & campus the weekend of February 25

[Uncle Rico]

It's actually an incredibly small portion of violent crime.  In 2022, there were about 25,000 instances of violent crime in Chicago.  Homicides were something like 2% of that. 

And of course this means that the average person in Chicago had less than a 1% chance of being the victim of a violent crime. But whatever drives the clicks right?

I'm sure prospective De Paul coaches are shuddering at that. 

It's why Marquette needs to move their campus to Fond du Lac, to attract better head coaches.  Bet Billy Donovan would have taken the job had it not been located in Milwaukee