MAUI INVITATIONAL TICKETS

[pbiflyer]

Side note. Stan Sheriff was there when I lived oh Oahu. Our next door neighbor for a year was Rainbow warrior offensive coordinator Paul Johnson, who went on to coach Navy and Georgia Tech.
Got to meet Stan a few times. Great guy, died way too early.

[79Warrior]

Hearing many business owners in the rest of Maui are hurting with so many cancellations. Tourism is huge for them. They do not want tourists to stay away. The rest of the island is open. Do not be surprised if this event moves forward.

[TedBaxter]

Hearing many business owners in the rest of Maui are hurting with so many cancellations. Tourism is huge for them. They do not want tourists to stay away. The rest of the island is open. Do not be surprised if this event moves forward.

Where would the teams and visitors stay if the hotel rooms are being used to house the homeless and the FEMA officials?

[Pakuni]

Where would the teams and visitors stay if the hotel rooms are being used to house the homeless and the FEMA officials?

There are more than 4,800 hotel rooms in the Kaanapali area alone. Not to mention thousands more in Wailiea/Kihei and Kapalua. Not to mention thousands of condos available on Airbnb and VRBO.
Overall, there are more than 21,000 lodging units on Maui.
The tournament may not happen, but if it doesn't, it won't be because there aren't places for visitors stay, places for them to eat, etc.

[brewcity77]

There are more than 4,800 hotel rooms in the Kaanapali area alone. Not to mention thousands more in Wailiea/Kihei and Kapalua. Not to mention thousands of condos available on Airbnb and VRBO.
Overall, there are more than 21,000 lodging units on Maui.
The tournament may not happen, but if it doesn't, it won't be because there aren't places for visitors stay, places for them to eat, etc.

As of a week ago, it looks like 46,000 people have left the island and around 1,000 families needed lodging. That's more than a quarter of the population gone and likely a heavy dent in those hotel rooms. I imagine a number of that 46,000 worked in some form of hospitality industry.

Less available lodging, fewer people to upkeep the hospitality industry that is there, feels like you might be underestimating the impact of these fires.

[Pakuni]

As of a week ago, it looks like 46,000 people have left the island and around 1,000 families needed lodging. That's more than a quarter of the population gone and likely a heavy dent in those hotel rooms. I imagine a number of that 46,000 worked in some form of hospitality industry.

Less available lodging, fewer people to upkeep the hospitality industry that is there, feels like you might be underestimating the impact of these fires.

Have you considered the likelihood that a substantial portion of those 46,000 were tourists/visitors, not residents? Keep in mind, at any given time there are 50,000+ tourists on Maui.
And that figure - a count of the six days after the fire- isn't that unusual, as the daily passenger count at that airport is 30,000 a day. Assuming about half are arrivals and half departures, 46,000 over several days doesn't seem that extraordinary.
See under "Airport Facts and Stats"
https://www.ifly.com/airports/kahului-airport#google_vignette

As of a few days ago, 1,000 hotel rooms in the Lahaina area had been reserved for the displaced and first responders. Again, there are 4,800 rooms in Kaanapali alone and 21,000+ on the island. 1,000 is not a significant number here.
Plus, it's a safe bet the need for temporary lodging will not be the same three months from now.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/maui-wildfires-hawaii.html

I think you might be overestimating the lodging needs created by the Maui Invitational. Per the tournament website, the event draws 5,000 visitors a year. So even if each and every visitor wants a room to themselves - which we know isn't the case - there are way more than enough available within 30 minutes of the arena.

It may turn out that tournament organizers decide it's inappropriate to hold the event three months after such a massive tragedy occurred within blocks of the arena. That's a completely reasonable call.
But the idea that they'll be forced to move it because there's no room at the inn doesn't hold up.

[Jay Bee]

"Just a brush fire. Come, enjoy the beach! Or simply commute each day from San Fran to Lahaina. Everything's fine!" — Pakuni

[Dr. Blackheart]

"Just a brush fire. Come, enjoy the beach! Or simply commute each day from San Fran to Lahaina. Everything's fine!" — Pakuni

And don't drink the water, swim in the ocean or breathe the air. Pay no need to grieving displaced families in the shelters as you drive past or the frustrated people applying for aid FEMA Family Center in the Hyatt ballroom as you as you get your poolside spa Lahaina mud peels and cucumber eye wraps.

Do I think Kemper will try to keep in Maui?  Yes they will try but I suspect that has more to do with all the travel packages they sold out on. I did the right thing and cancelled last week.

[Pakuni]

[brewcity77]

Dismissing the idea that one of the biggest climate disasters in American history might impact tourism in a region for more than 3 months is the epitome of not a serious person.

[BrewCity83]

Dismissing the idea that one of the biggest climate disasters in American history might impact tourism in a region for more than 3 months is the epitome of not a serious person.

Pakuni can speak for himself, but I don't think he's dismissing the idea that it might impact tourism for more than 3 months, but rather that it might not force them to cancel/move this tournament.

[Tyler COLEk]

Truthing the impact of the Maui fires is a high water mark for even peak offseason Scoop.

[Pakuni]

Dismissing the idea that one of the biggest climate disasters in American history might impact tourism in a region for more than 3 months is the epitome of not a serious person.

Can you point out where I wrote anything close to that?
Straw man arguments seem pretty unserious to me.

[TedBaxter]

I'm not going to attend, but if it does still happen in Hawaii, I'm hoping Honolulu has an arena option to make it work so possibly the booked trips can maybe still happen and maybe a larger venue can allow for some bigger crowds and to raise some money for the people in Maui.

It's going to be a lot of work for the organizers, whether it remains in Hawaii or comes to the 48 states somewhere. Finding a venue (staff), hotels and food for a Holiday week 90 days away will be a challenge.

I know this is a Captain Obvious post. 

[Jay Bee]

"That's some hot ground, man"

Smh

[muwarrior69]

https://apnews.com/article/maui-fire-missing-list-lahaina-e6909a2be7860fc7f9062c886a15f979

500 to 1000 still unaccounted.

[Jay Bee]

https://apnews.com/article/maui-fire-missing-list-lahaina-e6909a2be7860fc7f9062c886a15f979

500 to 1000 still unaccounted.

"Play ball!" - Pakuni

[The Sultan]

And don't drink the water, swim in the ocean or breathe the air. Pay no need to grieving displaced families in the shelters as you drive past or the frustrated people applying for aid FEMA Family Center in the Hyatt ballroom as you as you get your poolside spa Lahaina mud peels and cucumber eye wraps.

Do I think Kemper will try to keep in Maui?  Yes they will try but I suspect that has more to do with all the travel packages they sold out on. I did the right thing and cancelled last week.

Again, the tournament is slated to happen in two and a half months. Even if cancelling the tournament is the "right thing," why would just cancelling a November trip all together be the "right thing?"  (Assuming they are open and the state lifts its limitations on visiting West Maui?)

[rocky_warrior]

Again, the tournament is slated to happen in two and a half months. Even if cancelling the tournament is the "right thing," why would just cancelling a November trip all together be the "right thing?"  (Assuming they are open and the state lifts its limitations on visiting West Maui?)

Dr. B is gonna do the "right thing" and just send his tournament travel money in as a donation instead 

Otherwise yes, *IF* the tournament still happens in Maui (big if) - seems it would be prudent to help support the economy - which is highly dependent on tourism.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Dr. B is gonna do the "right thing" and just send his tournament travel money in as a donation instead 

Otherwise yes, *IF* the tournament still happens in Maui (big if) - seems it would be prudent to help support the economy - which is highly dependent on tourism.

Of course I did. Who wouldn't? It's a travesty.

[MuggsyB]

FEMA people btw are staying at the Four Seasons. This is as horrible a situation and tragedy since Katrina. 

[The Sultan]

FEMA people btw are staying at the Four Seasons. This is as horrible a situation and tragedy since Katrina. 

Worldwide not even close. Even if you limited it to the United States it's not. (Hurricane Maria.)

[MuMark]

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/16/1194115167/maui-county-tells-tourists-to-come-back-just-stay-out-of-the-burn-zone

[MuggsyB]

Worldwide not even close. Even if you limited it to the United States it's not. (Hurricane Maria.)

People are warned about hurricanes.  There are likely 100+ children that perished here.  This is absolutely horrific.  Now worldwide there have been earthquakes in dense populations but this is terrible.  We need to wait before the facts all come out.  If human incompetence was the primary factor?  it's even more troubling.

[79Warrior]

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/16/1194115167/maui-county-tells-tourists-to-come-back-just-stay-out-of-the-burn-zone

Exactly. Businesses that were not in Lahaina are hurting without tourists. More folks will be laid off and lose their paychecks as a result. If you go as a tourist, be respectful of the Hawaiian people  and spend money in any business you can.