Oppenheimer

[Hards Alumni]

   republicans consistently voted for the civil rights bills by larger percentages than the dems.  seems like it was tough for the dems to do the right thing...same old same old

Just say you don't understand basic US history and move on.

[Uncle Rico]

Just say you don't understand basic US history and move on.

Or what's happening in the modern world

[Pakuni]

   republicans consistently voted for the civil rights bills by larger percentages than the dems.  seems like it was tough for the dems to do the right thing...same old same old

Which states did those Republicans represent? Which states did those Democrats represent? Which party is dominant in those states today?

[Uncle Rico]

Which states did those Republicans represent? Which states did those Democrats represent? Which party is dominant in those states today?

He's willfully ignorant.

Of course Dems controlled southern states during the Civil War and fought against civil rights.  Those are facts.

It's also fact republicans saw an electoral opportunity to realign southern states because of the passage of the civil rights bill pushed by a democratic president who knew the ramifications

Robert Byrd is their poster boy and Byrd deserves the criticism he gets.  They, of course, ignore Strom Thurmond who switched parties because so he could fight civil rights as a Republican.  What that has to do with political alignment in 2023 is beyond me but simple minded fools somehow think it's a gotcha.

[dgies9156]

This is not satire. This is Florida's new curriculum for African American history.

The middle school curriculum includes a benchmark clarification that states "Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit;"

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2023/07/19/florida-state-approves-african-american-history-standards-rejects-concerns-about-omitting-history/70428361007/

There are much bigger problems in Florida's educational system than the pabulum that some idiot bureaucrat in Tallahassee distributes across the state. In our particular case, the problems in our county are severe.

A few years back, a fringe, conservative group called "Moms for Liberty" was formed in Vero Beach. Ostensibly, they were promoting more involvement by parents in public schools, which is a great thing. Unfortunately, the only "Liberty" the "Moms" support is their liberty to force their way of life on everyone in the county -- and state.

The Moms started in on school libraries. They identified nearly 200 books that should be removed from Indian River County school libraries. The list included the usual -- "Frog and Toad", "Catcher in the Rye" and "To Kill a Mockingbird," as well as a host of stuff that few people other than the Moms would take issue with. They even went so far as to ask the Indian River County Sheriff to arrest the School Superintendent because he wasn't removing a book they found objectionable. The sheriff investigated and saw no case but it wasted valuable time and resources.

Most of us are for controlling what's in school libraries -- I'm not sure I would have wanted my 11 year old in the day coming home with a full scale, color anatomy book, or Playboy! But the Moms are going nuts and believe it's their way or the highway.

The Moms have targeted one of our school board members, the 79-year-old former president of Amhurst College in Massachusetts, who also is a Republican and past supporter and contributor to Governor Ron DeSantis. And, yes, the Moms are huge behind the Governor. The Moms' target was ready to retire but since they targeted him, he wants another term and, God love him, has gone after the Mom's full frontal!

The message of Oppenheimer's life and the post World War II character assassination is the need for tolerance as a core virtue in our way of life. We may not agree with our peers and we may work to defeat candidates we don't agree with, but we always respect their right to voice their views. That's not happening in our county and too much of our country.

As a final thought, I grew up in a community where, at the time, the fundamentalist Christians, who were heavy into the control of the mechanisms of government, were trying to enforce their way of life on the entire community. It was rather liberating to reach Milwaukee, where the hard core social conservatives weren't the force behind the throne. One of the joys of Chicago has been that, again, there was some openness in how you led your life (my wife might disagree, but that's another story). Now I'm back in Florida and I feel like I've gone back almost 50 years!

[rocket surgeon]

Just say you don't understand basic US history and move on.

  was it wrong??  go do another bowl

[rocket surgeon]

Which states did those Republicans represent? Which states did those Democrats represent? Which party is dominant in those states today?

  right off hand i don't know, but answer me the simple question-was my statement wrong?

[#UnleashSean]

  right off hand i don't know, but answer me the simple question-was my statement wrong?

I'd say absolutely. The republican party of the 60's, is not the republican party of the 2020's.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I'd say absolutely. The republican party of the 60's, is not the republican party of the 2020's.

Rocket be like:
"I don't trust those White Sox - they threw the World Series for gamblers."

[Pakuni]

  right off hand i don't know, but answer me the simple question-was my statement wrong?

The fact you dodged the question means you know the answer.

[MU82]

To nobody's surprise, DeSantis doubles down: Slavery wasn't all bad for Black people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/22/desantis-slavery-curriculum/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is intensifying his efforts to de-emphasize racism in his state's public school curriculum by arguing that some Black people benefited from being enslaved and defending his state's new African American history standards that civil rights leaders and scholars say misrepresents centuries of U.S. reality.

"They're probably going to show that some of the folks that eventually parlayed, you know, being a blacksmith into doing things later in life," DeSantis said on Friday in response to reporters' questions while standing in front of a nearly all-White crowd of supporters.

DeSantis, a GOP presidential candidate who is lagging in polls against the front-runner, former president Donald Trump, and is trying to reset his campaign, quickly drew criticism from educators and even some in his party. He has built his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination on attacking what he calls the radical liberal policies of President Biden and the Democratic Party, but the latest remarks could alienate Black voters just as the GOP tries to court them.

Former U.S. Rep. Will Hurd of Texas, who announced last month that he was joining the race for the GOP nomination, blasted the idea that enslaved people were able to use slavery as some kind of training program.

"Slavery wasn't a jobs program that taught beneficial skills," Hurd, the son of a Black father and a White mother, tweeted. "It was literally dehumanizing and subjugated people as property because they lacked any rights or freedoms."

DeSantis, however, is continuing to defend Florida's new curriculum, which covers a broad range of topics and includes the assertion for middle school instruction that "slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit."

DeSantis said he "wasn't involved" in writing the new teaching materials, which took effect this week. But he credited "a lot of scholars" with creating "the most robust standards in African American history probably anywhere in the country."

Civil rights leaders, educators and others have expressed revulsion at the idea that enslaved people benefited from the experience.

[tower912]

I expect nothing else.    Slavery as vo-tech.

[Pakuni]

In the meantime, a school board in suburban St. Louis has revoked a policy that essentially says "Discrimination is bad."

The resolution passed in August 2020 "pledges to our learning community that we will speak firmly against any racism, discrimination, and senseless violence against people regardless of race, ethnicity, nationality, immigration status, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, or ability.

https://apnews.com/article/missouri-school-board-drops-antiracism-resolution-9d857b0e316950b600684e0050b85229

[GB Warrior]

   republicans consistently voted for the civil rights bills by larger percentages than the dems.  seems like it was tough for the dems to do the right thing...same old same old

Cool, I'm sure you do the same

[real chili 83]

Movie review, eh?

In before the lock.

[pbiflyer]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kwu2CwFOa9w

[Uncle Rico]

  right off hand i don't know, but answer me the simple question-was my statement wrong?

https://www.mediamatters.org/diversity-discrimination/rep-paul-gosar-promotes-another-antisemitic-site-praises-hitler-and-denies

[Uncle Rico]

https://twitter.com/decodingfoxnews/status/1683605276472008705?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q

[panda]

https://twitter.com/acewatz/status/1683294827016757248?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A

[Lighthouse 84]

To nobody's surprise, DeSantis doubles down: Slavery wasn't all bad for Black people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/22/desantis-slavery-curriculum/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is intensifying his efforts to de-emphasize racism in his state's public school curriculum by arguing that some Black people benefited from being enslaved and defending his state's new African American history standards that civil rights leaders and scholars say misrepresents centuries of U.S. reality.

"They're probably going to show that some of the folks that eventually parlayed, you know, being a blacksmith into doing things later in life," DeSantis said on Friday in response to reporters' questions while standing in front of a nearly all-White crowd of supporters.

DeSantis, a GOP presidential candidate who is lagging in polls against the front-runner, former president Donald Trump, and is trying to reset his campaign, quickly drew criticism from educators and even some in his party. He has built his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination on attacking what he calls the radical liberal policies of President Biden and the Democratic Party, but the latest remarks could alienate Black voters just as the GOP tries to court them.

Former U.S. Rep. Will Hurd of Texas, who announced last month that he was joining the race for the GOP nomination, blasted the idea that enslaved people were able to use slavery as some kind of training program.

"Slavery wasn't a jobs program that taught beneficial skills," Hurd, the son of a Black father and a White mother, tweeted. "It was literally dehumanizing and subjugated people as property because they lacked any rights or freedoms."

DeSantis, however, is continuing to defend Florida's new curriculum, which covers a broad range of topics and includes the assertion for middle school instruction that "slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit."

DeSantis said he "wasn't involved" in writing the new teaching materials, which took effect this week. But he credited "a lot of scholars" with creating "the most robust standards in African American history probably anywhere in the country."

Civil rights leaders, educators and others have expressed revulsion at the idea that enslaved people benefited from the experience.

Yet, Dr. William Allen, co-author of the Florida curriculum, said the idea that the curriculum states that slavery was beneficial to Africans, is categorically false.

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/black-member-of-florida-history-curriculum-working-group-calls-kamala-harriss-accusation-that-state-is-replacing-history-with-lies-categorically-false/

[Uncle Rico]

Yet, Dr. William Allen, co-author of the Florida curriculum, said the idea that the curriculum states that slavery was beneficial to Africans, is categorically false.

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/black-member-of-florida-history-curriculum-working-group-calls-kamala-harriss-accusation-that-state-is-replacing-history-with-lies-categorically-false/

Exactly.  Slavery had a lot of benefits for African-Americans.

"Florida students deserve to learn how slaves took advantage of whatever circumstances they were in to benefit themselves and the community of African descendants," they argued.

[Lighthouse 84]

Exactly.  Slavery had a lot of benefits for African-Americans.

"Florida students deserve to learn how slaves took advantage of whatever circumstances they were in to benefit themselves and the community of African descendants," they argued.

"They" being critics, not members who wrote the curriculum.  "In a statement with Dr. Frances Presley Rice, another member of the working group, Allen characterized critics' attempts to "reduce months of work to create Florida's first ever stand-alone strand of African American History Standards to a few isolated expressions without context" as  "disappointing.""

[Pakuni]

"They" being critics, not members who wrote the curriculum.  "In a statement with Dr. Frances Presley Rice, another member of the working group, Allen characterized critics' attempts to "reduce months of work to create Florida's first ever stand-alone strand of African American History Standards to a few isolated expressions without context" as  "disappointing.""

Ha ha ha.
"These reports stating our exact words are categorically false."

[MU82]

How dare you say we said what we said!

[PGsHeroes32]

Soooo...

Did anyone actually see the movie??

I did. It was great as expected. The tension during the bomb was phenomenal. The final court room scenes in both "court rooms" was incredible.

I think about 10 supporting actors brought career best work.