Oppenheimer

[dgies9156]

What's anti-American?

If life has taught us anything, we're going to disagree. America is a place where you can say anything you want so long as you don't intentionally incite panic or disclose classified information.

It's more anti-American if people who wanted to burn our flag, criticize our government or advocate for something unpopular couldn't do so because our government would punish them!

[Uncle Rico]

What's anti-American?

If life has taught us anything, we're going to disagree. America is a place where you can say anything you want so long as you don't intentionally incite panic or disclose classified information.

It's more anti-American if people who wanted to burn our flag, criticize our government or advocate for something unpopular couldn't do so because our government would punish them!

Amen

[Pakuni]

It's not cool.  There's way too much division and anti-american sentiment in our country.

Weren't all the great reform movements in this country's history and the people who led them labeled anti-American at some point?

[tower912]

Furthermore, what is America?    What is the dream of America?   How are we doing in pursuit of the more perfect union?

[jesmu84]

Furthermore, what is America?    What is the dream of America?   How are we doing in pursuit of the more perfect union?

I have an update on union support:

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/07/17/what-do-americans-think-about-civil-war

Only 51% would have supported the north. 12% the South. 23% unsure. 14% neither.

[rocket surgeon]

I have an update on union support:

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/07/17/what-do-americans-think-about-civil-war

Only 51% would have supported the north. 12% the South. 23% unsure. 14% neither.

  do you think americans overall, are well informed about civil war?

[Hards Alumni]

Then, after we finished with Russia in a few weeks, we coulda marched into China and then North Korea and then Iran and then Iraq. Coulda prevented a lot of misery years later if we had just taken 'em all down.

Oh, and I forgot Canada. Them and their effen wildfires.

[Hards Alumni]

  cue in the dean scream

HOLY CRAP, I DIDN'T READ THIS BEFORE MY REPLY.

[Hards Alumni]

I still believe we're the greatest country on this planet.  Despite the haters who have no concept whatsoever of what this world would look like if we weren't successful back in 1945.

Maybe it'd be better, you have no way of knowing.

[muwarrior69]

Not specific to just this historical event, but I would say we should always be reexamining and reevaluating history.
The first draft of history isn't always accurate and, to be cliche, is written by the victors ... who rarely have an unbiased or complete grasp of the events. Suggesting first person accounts are the best and most accurate wrongly assumes those accounts are coming from people who see the whole picture and recount it objectively.
Beyond that, new evidence surfaces, even decades or centuries after an event.

So, yeah, I don't think we should reshape history to fit modern mores, but questioning accepted narratives isn't inherently bad, and it's often smart.

I'm glad the bombs were dropped on Japan. My dad would have certainly been part of the invasion force. War is always personal and why my view will not change.

[muwarrior69]

Maybe it'd be better, you have no way of knowing.

Tell that to the 11 million who died in the concentration camps if Hitler prevailed; or the millions of Chinese, Koreans and Philippines enslave under Japanese controlled areas in southeast Asia.

[The Sultan]

  do you think americans overall, are well informed about civil war?

They get the basics. I'm sure a lot of people get off track about the "states rights" nonsense. 

[Uncle Rico]

They get the basics. I'm sure a lot of people get off track about the "states rights" nonsense.

People forget slaveowners taught Christianity to slaves

[MU82]

  do you think americans overall, are well informed about civil war?

The ones who still love the confederate flag do, that's for sure. Those are the real 'Muricans!

[rocket surgeon]

People forget slaveowners taught Christianity to slaves

  yeah i know and the dems are still butt-hurt over their losses...robert byrd et.al. took it pretty hard at first but when the people started to find out their schtick they figured they's better change their positions in order to keep "them" under their thumbs.  next up, school choice, eyn'a? 

[Uncle Rico]

  yeah i know and the dems are still butt-hurt over their losses...robert byrd et.al. took it pretty hard at first but when the people started to find out their schtick they figured they's better change their positions in order to keep "them" under their thumbs.  next up, school choice, eyn'a?

9.5 out of 10

"Butt-hurt"

Better change their positions like supporting the Civil Rights bill of 1964 and losing the south.  That Marquette education is being called into question again.

[Pakuni]

People forget slaveowners taught Christianity to slaves

This is not satire. This is Florida's new curriculum for African American history.

The middle school curriculum includes a benchmark clarification that states "Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit;"

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2023/07/19/florida-state-approves-african-american-history-standards-rejects-concerns-about-omitting-history/70428361007/

[Uncle Rico]

This is not satire. This is Florida's new curriculum for African American history.

The middle school curriculum includes a benchmark clarification that states "Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit;"

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2023/07/19/florida-state-approves-african-american-history-standards-rejects-concerns-about-omitting-history/70428361007/

Hard to believe ol' pudding fingers has flopped so far on the national stage. 

[The Sultan]

  yeah i know and the dems are still butt-hurt over their losses...robert byrd et.al. took it pretty hard at first but when the people started to find out their schtick they figured they's better change their positions in order to keep "them" under their thumbs.  next up, school choice, eyn'a? 

Didn't think I would see a Robert Byrd reference on Scoop today, yet here we are...

[MU82]

This is not satire. This is Florida's new curriculum for African American history.

The middle school curriculum includes a benchmark clarification that states "Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit;"

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2023/07/19/florida-state-approves-african-american-history-standards-rejects-concerns-about-omitting-history/70428361007/

DeSantis: Slavery was both fun and good for them!

[jesmu84]

  do you think americans overall, are well informed about civil war?

Informed enough to understand which side wanted slavery legal and which wanted it illegal

[MU82]

Other things kids can learn in DeSantis' school system:

While in Auschwitz, Jews got to experience dietary control - a skill that could be applied for their personal benefit.

While being raped by Catholic priests, little boys received instructions on sex that could be applied for their personal benefit.

[rocket surgeon]

9.5 out of 10

"Butt-hurt"

Better change their positions like supporting the Civil Rights bill of 1964 and losing the south.  That Marquette education is being called into question again.

   republicans consistently voted for the civil rights bills by larger percentages than the dems.  seems like it was tough for the dems to do the right thing...same old same old 

[Lennys Tap]

HOLY CRAP, I DIDN'T READ THIS BEFORE MY REPLY.

Great minds think alike, a'ina?

[Hards Alumni]

Great minds think alike, a'ina?

More like that squirrel finally found a nut.