Oppenheimer

[MuggsyB]

We should have saved millions of Russian lives ... by killing millions of Russians, and losing several hundred thousand Allied lives along the way?

I'm not saying it would be easy but I don't think we would have wound up killing millions of Russians and losing 100K Allied troops. 

[tower912]

From a pure number of soldiers standpoint, the Russians outnumbered the rest  of the Allies.   If the US and Britain
had engaged in that hare brained fantasy, it is equally likely Russia would have swept across Europe.

You simply do not, in a matter of weeks, turn on a country that helped defeat the Axis.

[Uncle Rico]

Apparently you have forgotten the millions of lives lost post WW2.

Add a million plus on top of those that would have died in a war with Russia, a million plus Americans and Western Europeans.  An entire generation lost in continuous war.

Also, rearm the Wehrmacht?  What Wehrmacht?  Old men, kids and women were defending Germany in April of 1945.  Heckuva plan.

The idea Russia would have been an easy victory is so deluded, almost as deluded as not thinking of the constant retribution of any mythical victory over Russia. 

You want to blame communism for all those deaths?  You might want to investigate the role of our intelligence community and the military-industrial complex post-WWII

[tower912]

Operation Unthinkable. 

[Pakuni]

I'm not saying it would be easy but I don't think we would have wound up killing millions of Russians and losing 100K Allied troops.

We justify (fairly, IMO) nuking Japan because it avoided even more casualties, on both sides, from an invasion of the main islands. What makes you believe the Russians would defend their homeland any less fiercely?

[Pakuni]

Operation Unthinkable.

Which was never put into action because planners early on recognized it was a bad idea.

[Uncle Rico]

We justify (fairly, IMO) nuking Japan because it avoided even more casualties, on both sides, from an invasion of the main islands. What makes you believe the Russians would defend their homeland any less fiercely?

And we would have had zero justification using nuclear weapons against the Soviets in 1945.  Zero.

[MU82]

Then, after we finished with Russia in a few weeks, we coulda marched into China and then North Korea and then Iran and then Iraq. Coulda prevented a lot of misery years later if we had just taken 'em all down.

Oh, and I forgot Canada. Them and their effen wildfires.

[tower912]

Which was never put into action because planners early on recognized it was a bad idea.

First, thanks to Muggsy for insipring the research.    And yes, the military leaders of the day, British and American, thought it would not succeed.

[MuggsyB]

Then, after we finished with Russia in a few weeks, we coulda marched into China and then North Korea and then Iran and then Iraq. Coulda prevented a lot of misery years later if we had just taken 'em all down.

Oh, and I forgot Canada. Them and their effen wildfires.

I like that idea!  I'm a bit anachronistic I suppose.   I feel the world is way better off if we're the dominant power 

[MuggsyB]

First, thanks to Muggsy for insipring the research.    And yes, the military leaders of the day, British and American, thought it would not succeed.

Of course the Finns essentially kicked the crap of the Russians proportionally.  We had the hammer and I believe they would have surrendered quickly at that time.

[Uncle Rico]

Of course the Finns essentially kicked the crap of the Russians proportionally.  We had the hammer and I believe they would have surrendered quickly at that time.

You're wrong

[Jockey]

Of course the Finns essentially kicked the crap of the Russians proportionally.  We had the hammer and I believe they would have surrendered quickly at that time.

Sometimes you are just flat out crazy.

[rocket surgeon]

Then, after we finished with Russia in a few weeks, we coulda marched into China and then North Korea and then Iran and then Iraq. Coulda prevented a lot of misery years later if we had just taken 'em all down.

Oh, and I forgot Canada. Them and their effen wildfires.

  cue in the dean scream

[MuggsyB]

You're wrong

You have no idea and they were completely decimated. I'm just throwing it out there but I don't think it's a crazy thought. 

[Uncle Rico]

You have no idea and they were completely decimated. I'm just throwing it out there but I don't think it's a crazy thought.

You're wrong

[Pakuni]

Of course the Finns essentially kicked the crap of the Russians proportionally.  We had the hammer and I believe they would have surrendered quickly at that time.

How many lives would you be willing to gamble to find out?
The Finns were defending their homeland, not an invading force. What's that tell you?

[The Sultan]

How many lives would you be willing to gamble to find out?
The Finns were defending their homeland, not an invading force. What's that tell you?

Something tells me Muggs was all in on the "treated as liberators" talking point.

[MuggsyB]

Something tells me Muggs was all in on the "treated as liberators" talking point.

I still believe we're the greatest country on this planet.  Despite the haters who have no concept whatsoever of what this world would look like if we weren't successful back in 1945. 

[The Sultan]

I still believe we're the greatest country on this planet.  Despite the haters who have no concept whatsoever of what this world would look like if we weren't successful back in 1945. 

Your statement has nothing to do with what I said, but cool.

[MuggsyB]

Your statement has nothing to do with what I said, but cool.

It's not cool.  There's way too much division and anti-american sentiment in our country. 

[Uncle Rico]

It's not cool.  There's way too much division and anti-american sentiment in our country.

Without anti-American sentiment, you don't have an America anymore

[MuggsyB]

Without anti-American sentiment, you don't have an America anymore

It's at an unhealthy level right now imo. 

[Uncle Rico]

It's at an unhealthy level right now imo.

It isn't

[The Sultan]

It's not cool.  There's way too much division and anti-american sentiment in our country. 

Again that has nothing to do with what I said.