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2024-25 NFL Thread

Started by Herman Cain, July 08, 2023, 07:41:44 AM

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WhiteTrash


DegenerateDish

I can't imagine Mike McCarthy is employed come Wednesday evening.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 14, 2024, 06:03:36 PM
I can't imagine Mike McCarthy is employed come Wednesday evening.

He won't make Wednesday. Anyone who watched the Packers this year and came out with THAT game plan...at home...should be run out of town immediately. And Dan Quinn should follow him. Belichick will be coaching them by the end of the week.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

forgetful

Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 14, 2024, 06:03:36 PM
I can't imagine Mike McCarthy is employed come Wednesday evening.

Before the game they were talking bout how McCarthy was brought in to win Championships. I found that odd, as he was canned in GB for not being able to win Championships. Kind of thought to myself that if GB could find a way to win, as strange as it would be to fire a coach who had the season he just had, that McCarthy may get canned.

Didn't expect that embarrassment though.

DegenerateDish

Cowboys are the first team in NFL history to win 12 games in three straight seasons and fail to make the conference championship in any of them.

JWags85

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 14, 2024, 06:36:49 PM
He won't make Wednesday. Anyone who watched the Packers this year and came out with THAT game plan...at home...should be run out of town immediately. And Dan Quinn should follow him. Belichick will be coaching them by the end of the week.

I didn't think anyone could top Stefanski giving up yesterday, but at least he put in a productive start and most of a first half.  McCarthy was unconscionably bad.

And Dak...man.  I like Dak, think he's been unfairly maligned at times.  I think he's a really great dude off the field, and he came back from an injury and had his best year ever.  Really accurate and efficient, limited mistakes.  But then to come out like that in a big home playoff game?  Just endless ammo for haters and critics.  It almost looked like he was hurt for a good chunk of the first

Uncle Rico

Quote from: JWags85 on January 14, 2024, 07:43:15 PM
I didn't think anyone could top Stefanski giving up yesterday, but at least he put in a productive start and most of a first half.  McCarthy was unconscionably bad.

And Dak...man.  I like Dak, think he's been unfairly maligned at times.  I think he's a really great dude off the field, and he came back from an injury and had his best year ever.  Really accurate and efficient, limited mistakes.  But then to come out like that in a big home playoff game?  Just endless ammo for haters and critics.  It almost looked like he was hurt for a good chunk of the first

Packers punched them in the mouth and they turtled.  49ers and Bills did it to them, Pack did, too
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

GB Warrior

Not to distract from the postseason, but one Caleb Williams has not declared for the draft, with the deadline today.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: GB Warrior on January 15, 2024, 10:33:59 AM
Not to distract from the postseason, but one Caleb Williams has not declared for the draft, with the deadline today.
He skipped the bowl game because he intends to go the NFL. I don't think there is a story here. -Could be tomorrow?

Pakuni

Quote from: GB Warrior on January 15, 2024, 10:33:59 AM
Not to distract from the postseason, but one Caleb Williams has not declared for the draft, with the deadline today.

He may have filed and just not announced it.
We'll see, I guess.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: JWags85 on January 14, 2024, 07:43:15 PM
I didn't think anyone could top Stefanski giving up yesterday, but at least he put in a productive start and most of a first half.  McCarthy was unconscionably bad.

And Dak...man.  I like Dak, think he's been unfairly maligned at times.  I think he's a really great dude off the field, and he came back from an injury and had his best year ever.  Really accurate and efficient, limited mistakes.  But then to come out like that in a big home playoff game?  Just endless ammo for haters and critics.  It almost looked like he was hurt for a good chunk of the first
That's kind of been who Dak is. Maybe the 10th best QB in the league, on average, over the years.

I don't think he was hurt in the first half, though the complete prevent D that GB went into after going up by 32 made him look healthier in the last 6 minutes of the game. With all that talent around him, and GB managing to put very little pressure on him throughout the game, he should have been much, much better.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

jesmu84

The bears are firmly the worst team in the NFC North, right?

They are definitely now the longest tenured without a playoff win - 2011.

IMO, the demise of the bears franchise starts and ends with the McCaskey family. Need new ownership badly

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Some noise that Williams would rather go to Washington, and is trying to leverage his ability to go back to school to force a trade so the Commanders can swap picks.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

forgetful

I commented on it somewhere. But what impresses me about Love and the Pack, is who well they spread the ball around. It makes it a lot harder on the defense when there isn't just 1 or 2 guys you have to focus on. The teams that have struggled late in the year, and the Cowboys, really strongly rely on 1 or 2 guys. As an example, below are the % of targets to the top 2 receivers for remaining playoff teams:

Philly: 51.4%   Have been being exposed lately
Miami: 50%.    Also got exposed
Detroit: 49.5% Packers were able to handle their offense by taking away primary options
Tampa: 48.4% Not a strong offense
Cowboys: 47% Definitely got exposed by the Packers taking away primary options.
Buffalo: 46% Have struggled more this year
-----             Cutoff
SF: 41% Very strong and dangerous offense
KC: 37% Mahomes is elite because he spreads it around
Ravens: 36% Add in the dual threat QB and it is why they are the favorites
Texans: 35% Impressive for a rookie to see the field and spread it around
Packers: 34% Been crazy good the latter half of the season

One can argue that part of it is a product of teams having an elite receiver or 2, which is true to an extent, but it also leads to a tendency for the QB to only look at 1 or 2 options, which eventually can become a liability in the playoffs.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 15, 2024, 10:55:52 AM
Some noise that Williams would rather go to Washington, and is trying to leverage his ability to go back to school to force a trade so the Commanders can swap picks.
I don't see the Bears and Commanders making a trade today.

JWags85

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on January 15, 2024, 10:46:29 AM
That's kind of been who Dak is. Maybe the 10th best QB in the league, on average, over the years.

I don't think he was hurt in the first half, though the complete prevent D that GB went into after going up by 32 made him look healthier in the last 6 minutes of the game. With all that talent around him, and GB managing to put very little pressure on him throughout the game, he should have been much, much better.

Yea I don't think he actually was, thats just how tentative, antsy, and bad he looked.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 15, 2024, 10:55:52 AM
Some noise that Williams would rather go to Washington, and is trying to leverage his ability to go back to school to force a trade so the Commanders can swap picks.

Forcing a trade to his hometown team, what could go wrong?!

Jockey

Dam is Kirk Cousins. Big numbers - but ultimately a dud. The biggest reasons Cowboys flame out every year.

JWags85

Quote from: Jockey on January 15, 2024, 01:05:20 PM
Dam is Kirk Cousins. Big numbers - but ultimately a dud. The biggest reasons Cowboys flame out every year.

To be fair, Dak has also had 2 HCs with reputations for flaming out in the playoffs well before he entered the league.  Dak shares plenty of the burden, but there is some leadership lacking at the top too.

Jockey

Quote from: JWags85 on January 15, 2024, 01:33:29 PM
To be fair, Dak has also had 2 HCs with reputations for flaming out in the playoffs well before he entered the league.  Dak shares plenty of the burden, but there is some leadership lacking at the top too.

I can't argue with that.


Pakuni

Caleb Williams has officially declared.

jesmu84

The Bears could get #8 overall for Justin Fields?

What is Mel smoking?

Lennys Tap

Quote from: JWags85 on January 15, 2024, 01:33:29 PM
To be fair, Dak has also had 2 HCs with reputations for flaming out in the playoffs well before he entered the league.  Dak shares plenty of the burden, but there is some leadership lacking at the top too.

Big picture you may be right. But yesterday? Until it was over for all intents and purposes he was awful.

WhiteTrash

#2522
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 15, 2024, 03:33:02 PM
The Bears could get #8 overall for Justin Fields?

What is Mel smoking?
#8 in the 2nd or 3rd round?

IF #8 overall could be had for Fields, I think even the most pro-Fields fans would get onboard with a trade.

jesmu84

Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 15, 2024, 04:46:50 PM
#8 in the 2nd or 3rd round?

IF #8 overall could be had for Fields, I think even the most pro-Fields fans would get onboard with a trade.

#8 overall. I think Mel is basically Jim Cramer of the NFL.

https://twitter.com/clayharbs82/status/1746995003027493309?t=FfmSmOyB2YF3O4ToMsuP2A&s=19

forgetful

Quote from: jesmu84 on January 15, 2024, 05:22:27 PM
#8 overall. I think Mel is basically Jim Cramer of the NFL.

https://twitter.com/clayharbs82/status/1746995003027493309?t=FfmSmOyB2YF3O4ToMsuP2A&s=19

Maybe he meant someone would be willing to take him off their hands for a #8 overall if the Bears threw in the #1 pick overall as compensation for taking him.

That's about as realistic.