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2024-25 NFL Thread

Started by Herman Cain, July 08, 2023, 07:41:44 AM

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MU82

#1950
December 24, 2023, 10:28:34 PM
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 24, 2023, 07:32:04 PM
Mike Evans quietly having a Hall of Fame career . Recording stays in terms of consecutive 1000 yard seasons and 12 touchdown seasons that only Hall of Famers have recorded.

He's not a quiet surprise. Everybody who knows even a little bit about the NFL knows that Evans is a great WR, and a likely Hall of Famer.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

Herman Cain

#1951
December 25, 2023, 07:00:32 AM
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Herman Cain

#1952
December 25, 2023, 09:35:35 AM
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

tower912

#1953
December 25, 2023, 01:10:49 PM
That was a bad 12 seconds for Mahomes.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Herman Cain

#1954
December 25, 2023, 01:42:08 PM
Quote from: tower912 on December 25, 2023, 01:10:49 PM
That was a bad 12 seconds for Mahomes.
Can Raiders take advantage of good fortune and hold lead in second half ?
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Jockey

#1955
December 25, 2023, 02:05:23 PM
Hard to win without good WRs.

Lennys Tap

#1956
December 25, 2023, 02:45:21 PM
Quote from: Jockey on December 25, 2023, 02:05:23 PM
Hard to win without good WRs.

True, but Mahomes has won a lot of games with ordinary ones. There was a revolving door of WRs at NE during Brady's career.

Something is off with Patrick. Wonder if he has an injury we're not aware of.

Lennys Tap

#1957
December 25, 2023, 02:56:22 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 25, 2023, 02:45:21 PM
True, but Mahomes has won a lot of games with ordinary ones. There was a revolving door of WRs at NE during Brady's career.

Something is off with Patrick. Wonder if he has an injury we're not aware of.

Well, he looked pretty good on that drive - vintage! If they get the ball back...

DegenerateDish

#1958
December 25, 2023, 03:14:52 PM
If the Raiders win the AFC West (that scenario isn't as crazy as it sounds), Pierce should be Coach of the Year.

Herman Cain

#1959
December 25, 2023, 03:41:15 PM
Excellent win for Raiders .

Chiefs will be there when it counts in Super Bowl
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

CreightonWarrior

#1960
December 25, 2023, 03:50:33 PM
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 25, 2023, 03:41:15 PM
Excellent win for Raiders .

Chiefs will be there when it counts in Super Bowl
As spectators watching Miami or Baltimore?

tower912

#1961
December 25, 2023, 04:47:26 PM
The Chiefs are going to find available wide receivers that can catch the ball in the next two weeks?
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

tower912

#1962
December 25, 2023, 08:16:25 PM
Ummmm, the Ravens against the top teams in the NFC?   Ouch
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

jesmu84

#1963
December 25, 2023, 09:54:25 PM
Lamar was a free agent and no other team even made an offer?

Smells like collusion

tower912

#1964
December 26, 2023, 05:24:24 AM
Injuries.   How many games has he missed?   Not the case this season.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

cheebs09

#1965
December 26, 2023, 07:12:34 AM
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 25, 2023, 09:54:25 PM
Lamar was a free agent and no other team even made an offer?

Smells like collusion

I'm not sure it's that simple. The Ravens placed a tag on him and I believe they were looking for multiple first round draft picks. That coupled with Lamar wanting a Deshaun Watson type guaranteed contract made interest pretty low.

All of this while having some years with injuries. They very well may have been colluding since it's pretty obvious a lot of teams could use him, but it was a very steep price.

Lennys Tap

#1966
December 26, 2023, 07:33:06 AM
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 25, 2023, 09:54:25 PM
Lamar was a free agent and no other team even made an offer?

Smells like collusion

Actually smells more like your world view interfering with the facts.

tower912

#1967
December 26, 2023, 08:38:08 AM
...he says with much unrealized irony...
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Herman Cain

#1968
December 26, 2023, 09:43:35 AM
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

forgetful

#1969
December 26, 2023, 10:03:03 AM
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 26, 2023, 07:12:34 AM
I'm not sure it's that simple. The Ravens placed a tag on him and I believe they were looking for multiple first round draft picks. That coupled with Lamar wanting a Deshaun Watson type guaranteed contract made interest pretty low.

All of this while having some years with injuries. They very well may have been colluding since it's pretty obvious a lot of teams could use him, but it was a very steep price.

They placed a non-exclusive tag. That means the Ravens would be able to match any offer. I'm not sure it was formal collusion, but other teams knew that whatever they offered, the Ravens would match. Which means they would never have gotten him anyway, and it would have tipped their hand on the fact that they were planning on drafting a QB/shows lack of confidence in their QB.

Nothing to gain, so why bid.

MU82

#1970
December 26, 2023, 11:57:36 AM
Quote from: forgetful on December 26, 2023, 10:03:03 AM
They placed a non-exclusive tag. That means the Ravens would be able to match any offer. I'm not sure it was formal collusion, but other teams knew that whatever they offered, the Ravens would match. Which means they would never have gotten him anyway, and it would have tipped their hand on the fact that they were planning on drafting a QB/shows lack of confidence in their QB.

Nothing to gain, so why bid.

Exactly. Those are collectively bargained rules. I remember a little collusion talk at the time, but there really was nothing there.

Collusion has happened over the years - especially in baseball, when owners actually lost a ton of money after being sued. I believe in the NBA, too. Can't remember it ever getting that far in the NFL; the owners have most of the advantages built into the CBA so they don't really need to collude.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

Hidden User

#1971
December 26, 2023, 05:10:27 PM
Quote from: forgetful on December 26, 2023, 10:03:03 AM
They placed a non-exclusive tag. That means the Ravens would be able to match any offer. I'm not sure it was formal collusion, but other teams knew that whatever they offered, the Ravens would match. Which means they would never have gotten him anyway, and it would have tipped their hand on the fact that they were planning on drafting a QB/shows lack of confidence in their QB.

Nothing to gain, so why bid.

To put an opposing team in a tougher cap situation. It's not at all outlandish to suggest it was the owners resetting the power dynamic after the Watson deal.

Herman Cain

#1972
December 26, 2023, 05:52:12 PM
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Pakuni

#1973
December 26, 2023, 10:27:43 PM
Quote from: forgetful on December 26, 2023, 10:03:03 AM
They placed a non-exclusive tag. That means the Ravens would be able to match any offer. I'm not sure it was formal collusion, but other teams knew that whatever they offered, the Ravens would match. Which means they would never have gotten him anyway, and it would have tipped their hand on the fact that they were planning on drafting a QB/shows lack of confidence in their QB.

Nothing to gain, so why bid.

Given that the Ravens very publicly stated they weren't giving Lamar a fully guaranteed deal, I'm not sure why anyone would claim they were going to match any offer.
As for not showing confidence in their QB ... who cares? I don't think teams do, or should, care about that.

This seems the correct take.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lack-interest-lamar-jackson-collusion-181829013.html

Uncle Rico

#1974
December 27, 2023, 07:35:26 AM
Raiders-Chiefs received the highest XMas day TV rating since 1989.  The demise of the NFL continues unabated
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.
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