2024-25 NFL Thread

[MuggsyB]

Philly save us all.

Philly beats them imo. 

[MuggsyB]

Trubisky in lieu of Mahomes didn't work out too well for the Bears. 

[Shaka Shart]

*breathless sweaty one free hand Herm voice*

https://nypost.com/2025/01/26/sports/travis-kelce-celebrates-chiefs-super-bowl-2025-berth-with-taylor-swift-kiss/

[MU82]

Someday, people will appreciate what the Chiefs have done and give Andy Reid a lot more best ever love.  That time ain't now because we hate stacked greatness, but someday

I like to think I'm already there. Reid has had (and continues to have) an amazing career - and an especially amazing run in KC. He has assembled a great coaching staff and put together an incredible (sorry for this word) culture.

And Mahomes ... scary to think he might not even be in his prime yet.

[tower912]

This will sound like a stupid reason to root against someone, because it is, but I dislike Taylor Swift.

I have never forgiven Philly fans for booing Santa Claus.  So, I get it.

[Uncle Rico]

This will sound like a stupid reason to root against someone, because it is, but I dislike Taylor Swift.

Regarding Reid. Still wonder why the Packers went with Rhodes over Reid.

Ron Wolf asks that question, too

I had to look it up to see if my memory was correct but when the Eagles hired him, he was only the 2nd head coach hire at that time that had never been an OC or DC.  It wasn't received well in Philly.

Rhodes had experience and I think Wolf wanted that because in theory, it was a veteran team built to win now.  Reid had a complete rebuild in Philly to take over.  Of course, he was rebuilding the mess Ray Rhodes left

[The Sultan]

At least he quickly realized his error and fired Rhodes after a year and hired Mike Sherman, who wasn't bad by any means. One of the best run game coaches I have seen, but didn't manage stressful situations well. (4th and 26 game was a good example.) The other big mistake Wolf made was recommending Sherman as his successor at GM, which was really bad.

[Uncle Rico]

At least he quickly realized his error and fired Rhodes after a year and hired Mike Sherman, who wasn't bad by any means. One of the best run game coaches I have seen, but didn't manage stressful situations well. (4th and 26 game was a good example.) The other big mistake Wolf made was recommending Sherman as his successor at GM, which was really bad.

Correct.  Sherman the GM was not good.  That Eagles loss was coaching malpractice across the board.  He didn't manage the QB well, either, letting 4 relapse into all his bad habits.

[Jockey]

Remember the good ol' days, when Buffalo's collective heart was broken in the Super Bowl year after year?

Now the Buffalo heart keeps getting shattered before the Bills can even get that far.

Yup. I'd say coaching had a lot to do with the game yesterday. Now, I think we see why Brady wasn't hired as a HC. Despite looking like the surest bet the Bills had — 6.5 yards a carry was three yards better than anyone else the Bills used — the Bills bafflingly split Cook's workload and left him with just 33 of 73 total snaps. Cook keyed a go-ahead touchdown drive just after halftime when he led off the drive with three runs for 43 total yards, then made it into the end zone despite a fourth-and-1 playcall that left him having to levitate the ball over the goal line with a sudden burst of power after he appeared to be stopped short. Trailing 32-29, Cook did not see the ball once on Buffalo's final drive of the game, which feels like a pretty rough indictment of Joe Brady's game plan.

[JWags85]

I like to think I'm already there. Reid has had (and continues to have) an amazing career - and an especially amazing run in KC. He has assembled a great coaching staff and put together an incredible (sorry for this word) culture.

I think the craziest thing is at the time in Philly he was aggressively maligned (some right, some wrong) for being a choker who managed games poorly...but still made 5 NFC Championship games and a SB and had 9 double digit win seasons in 14 years.  Thats still a really impressive resume even before KC.  If he won that SB in 2004, he was probably already a borderline HOF sort of coach at that point.

[The Sultan]

Yup. I'd say coaching had a lot to do with the game yesterday. Now, I think we see why Brady wasn't hired as a HC. Despite looking like the surest bet the Bills had — 6.5 yards a carry was three yards better than anyone else the Bills used — the Bills bafflingly split Cook's workload and left him with just 33 of 73 total snaps. Cook keyed a go-ahead touchdown drive just after halftime when he led off the drive with three runs for 43 total yards, then made it into the end zone despite a fourth-and-1 playcall that left him having to levitate the ball over the goal line with a sudden burst of power after he appeared to be stopped short. Trailing 32-29, Cook did not see the ball once on Buffalo's final drive of the game, which feels like a pretty rough indictment of Joe Brady's game plan.

Eh. Allen marched them down the drive prior for a TD almost entirely through the air. I didn't find the play calling on that final drive all that bad.

[tower912]

Spag dialed up a great blitz.  However, everyone knew that is his tendency.   How can you not have a blitz beater dialed up?  Or at least one to check into when you see it coming.  Play call or bad read by the QB?   Same problem the Vikings had for two weeks. 

[RJax55]

Eh. Allen marched them down the drive prior for a TD almost entirely through the air. I didn't find the play calling on that final drive all that bad.

Also, the Bills had been splitting Cook's time with other backs all season. Yesterday was not unique.

[withoutbias]

I like to think I'm already there. Reid has had (and continues to have) an amazing career - and an especially amazing run in KC. He has assembled a great coaching staff and put together an incredible (sorry for this word) culture.

And Mahomes ... scary to think he might not even be in his prime yet.

Nah.  You love to say Bill never won without Brady.  Well, Andy has never won without Patrick, and Patrick is more talented than Tommy.  Patrick is Aaron Rodgers's talent with Brady's competitiveness and willingness to stick to a gameplan and win games rather than worry about individual accomplishments/stats.

[The Sultan]

Also, the Bills had been splitting Cook's time with other backs all season. Yesterday was not unique.

And also, its way too simplistic to say that they should have stuck with something, but that doesn't address at all what the defense may have been doing at the time. Did they bring a safety down to stop the run?

Anyway the offense wasn't bad at all. And no team is hiring a coach because of the playcalling on the last drive of a game...lol on that.

[Pakuni]

Spag dialed up a great blitz.  However, everyone knew that is his tendency.   How can you not have a blitz beater dialed up?  Or at least one to check into when you see it coming.  Play call or bad read by the QB?   Same problem the Vikings had for two weeks. 

On the other hand, if Dalton Kincaid doesn't drop that ball, everyone is raving about how Allen beat the blitz.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Nah.  You love to say Bill never won without Brady.  Well, Andy has never won without Patrick, and Patrick is more talented than Tommy.  Patrick is Aaron Rodgers's talent with Brady's competitiveness and willingness to stick to a gameplan and win games rather than worry about individual accomplishments/stats.

Errrr, he won with Donovan McNabb, he won with Michael Vick, he won with Alex Smith...

[jesmu84]

On the other hand, if Dalton Kincaid doesn't drop that ball, everyone is raving about how Allen beat the blitz.

The underneath/orbit route was WIDE OPEN

[Pakuni]

Errrr, he won with Donovan McNabb, he won with Michael Vick, he won with Alex Smith...

I imagine he meant he hasn't won a title without Mahomes.
Also, that's a #2 overall pick and two #1 overall picks.
Not exactly QB slumming.

Reid is a great coach who will be inducted into the HOF, but he's had a lot to work with for most of his career.

[withoutbias]

Errrr, he won with Donovan McNabb, he won with Michael Vick, he won with Alex Smith...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVWEJ3Q8qYU

Bill went 11-5 with Vinnie Testaverde at QB.  10-5 with Matt Cassel.  10-7 with Mac Jones.

If Ried gets another couple SBs we'll have a discussion.  It's still Belichick.

[JWags85]

I imagine he meant he hasn't won a title without Mahomes.
Also, that's a #2 overall pick and two #1 overall picks.
Not exactly QB slumming.

Reid is a great coach who will be inducted into the HOF, but he's had a lot to work with for most of his career.

To be fair, while McNabb is definitely a fair shout, Reid got a 30 year old Vick who hadn't been an NFL starter in 5 years, 2+ years of that he was literally in prison, and while he was fun, he was always a boom or bust NFL QB who turned the ball over a good 20+ times a season between INTs and fumbles.  That amazing season he had in 2010, Reid turned him into an efficient QB who cut his previous INT/fumble averages the last few seasons literally in half.  It was remarkable not only for a comeback, but for the change in his QB play.

And Alex Smith, same thing, 30 year old QB who had been pretty bad most of his career and usually had a rating under 85 every year.  Though, you can argue the reclamation project had already begun under Harbaugh who turned Smith into a pretty decent QB right away upon arriving in SF.

I don't think Reid had journeyman scrubs post-McNabb/pre-Mahomes, but I think a player's draft status as a skill level is irrelevant once they've been in the league 5+ years.  A bad QB turning into a good one after a couple years makes sense of "oh he was a 1st round pick after all", but not once they get to 30, IMO of course.

[GB Warrior]

The underneath/orbit route was WIDE OPEN

Yes but the timing of the blitzer from the weak side flashed just as Shakir was really breaking open. It was there but Allen moved off of him as soon as the rusher got free off the LG.

As it is, he made a super human play to give Kincaid a chance. Kudos to Spags as always.

[cheebs09]

I imagine he meant he hasn't won a title without Mahomes.
Also, that's a #2 overall pick and two #1 overall picks.
Not exactly QB slumming.

Reid is a great coach who will be inducted into the HOF, but he's had a lot to work with for most of his career.

Fair, but that's significantly overselling Vick and Smith for the point of their careers Reid coached them.

[Pakuni]

Fair, but that's significantly overselling Vick and Smith for the point of their careers Reid coached them.

Oh, I don't know about that.

When Smith joined KC, he was coming off two seasons in which he went 19-5-1 as a starter, throwing 30 TDs against 10 INTs and a QB rating of 95.1 Then he came to KC and went to the Pro Bowl three of the next five seasons.
By no means was he ever an elite QB, but he was a very good one for that stretch.

Vick went to the Pro Bowl and won Comeback Player of the Year in his first season with Reid, was good (not great) his second and the wheels fell off - kind of literally - his third.

Neither of these guys were Mahomes, or Brady, but they were for the most part upper half of the league QBs when they played for Reid. And the season Vick fell apart, the Eagles went 4-12 and Reid got fired.

[JWags85]

Vick went to the Pro Bowl and won Comeback Player of the Year in his first season with Reid, was good (not great) his second and the wheels fell off - kind of literally - his third.

WELL ACKSHULLY, he won CPOY and the Pro Bowl in his second season with Reid in Philly.  He backed up McNabb for a season before getting the start in 2010. 

But otherwise, that's pretty much correct.  Also, big issue was he couldn't stay healthy.  He was even banged up in 2010, but 2011 and especially 2012 he was never 100% and always nursing some injury of note, and for the type of player he was, they were definitely impactful.