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Author Topic: 2023-24 NBA Thread  (Read 116923 times)

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #2175 on: May 21, 2024, 09:47:07 PM »
Haliburton last minute of regulation:

-Terrible step back fade away 3, with 15 left on shot clock

-Dribbles ball off his leg, leads to Pacer turnover

-Barely tries to get open on side inbounds pass

-Whatever that last terrible possession was

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #2176 on: May 21, 2024, 09:51:25 PM »
This will be a quick series.  Pacers lost their opportunity. 

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #2177 on: May 21, 2024, 09:51:30 PM »
Hailburton

Your table among the greats...........aint ready.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #2178 on: May 21, 2024, 09:53:17 PM »
Hailburton

Your table among the greats...........aint ready.

Carlisle also deserves some blame. 

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #2179 on: May 21, 2024, 09:56:00 PM »
Pacers fans should be physically ill

That was their chance to make it a series early. Meltdown.

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #2180 on: May 21, 2024, 09:58:15 PM »
Pacers fans should be physically ill

That was their chance to make it a series early. Meltdown.

I thought that rebound foul on Siakam (that was reviewed) changed everything.  But your point is well taken. You can't lose a game like that.  Unmitigated disaster is accurate. 

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #2181 on: May 22, 2024, 05:28:47 AM »
Is it an unmitigated disaster for Celtics fans?   What if you don't have a rooting interest and don't bet?     It was an exciting  game.   
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« Reply #2182 on: May 22, 2024, 08:32:53 AM »
Is it an unmitigated disaster for Celtics fans?   What if you don't have a rooting interest and don't bet?     It was an exciting  game.

I am rooting for Indians.  It was a cataclysmic disaster to throw away a game like that Tower.  Can't happen.  Carlisle does some dumb things btw. 

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« Reply #2183 on: May 22, 2024, 08:39:04 AM »
Indiana went down 1-0 to the Bucks.  2-0 to the Knicks.

I know that was a brutal ending, and that the Celtics may win the series, but there is a long way to go.
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« Reply #2184 on: May 22, 2024, 08:40:01 AM »
If Halliburton doesn't lose concentration and kick the ball out of bounds late in regulation, Indiana wins that game. That he did the exact same thing late in OT was stunning.

Plenty of things happened that had nothing to do with Carlisle, the refs, etc, to cost the Pacers the game.

When your best player effs up royally doing the simplest of tasks (simple for an NBA All-Star, anyway), that's how you lose.
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« Reply #2185 on: May 22, 2024, 08:41:19 AM »
Carlisle is a very good coach. Let's not get silly here.
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« Reply #2186 on: May 22, 2024, 08:46:40 AM »
Carlisle is a very good coach. Let's not get silly here.

He definitely should have fouled that possession imo.  I hope you're right but I think Indy is in severe trouble.  Tatum did not play particularly well yesterday.  The Pacers are an explosive offensive team but they can't really guard and can kick tbe ball away.  Not being able to in bound the ball, up 3, with 8.5 secs left, just cannot happen.  It's Wojoesque regardless of the fact that Brown was pulling on a jersey.

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« Reply #2187 on: May 22, 2024, 11:17:49 AM »
He definitely should have fouled that possession imo.  I hope you're right but I think Indy is in severe trouble.  Tatum did not play particularly well yesterday.  The Pacers are an explosive offensive team but they can't really guard and can kick tbe ball away.  Not being able to in bound the ball, up 3, with 8.5 secs left, just cannot happen.  It's Wojoesque regardless of the fact that Brown was pulling on a jersey.

I don't watch Boston religiously, but probably do 10-15 times per year. That is always how Tatum plays when I see him. Talented shot maker, good defender, maddening shot selection. Sometimes the shots go in. He might shoot better, but I don't think he'll play better. That's his game.

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« Reply #2188 on: May 22, 2024, 12:05:36 PM »
I don't watch Boston religiously, but probably do 10-15 times per year. That is always how Tatum plays when I see him. Talented shot maker, good defender, maddening shot selection. Sometimes the shots go in. He might shoot better, but I don't think he'll play better. That's his game.

I feel like 90% of their end of clock situations is a Tatum iso, and not a particularly good one.  Ive been with friends who have bets on 1H or quarter totals and its 1-2 points shy, Boston comes down with 20 seconds left and the possession results in an off balance or turnaround jumper from Tatum and they lose their minds.  Its part of the reason I don't think very highly of Mazulla.  He just has a supremely talented roster, but I rarely see any impressive tactical coaching.  And like you said, Tatum really feels like he's plateaued.  Insanely talented shot maker but I struggle to ever see him as a top 3-5 guy in the league the way he plays.

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« Reply #2189 on: May 22, 2024, 12:15:58 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, the Pacers had a time out before they inbounded the ball with 8.5 secs.  I believe they could have advanced the ball, but does anyone know for sure? 

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« Reply #2190 on: May 22, 2024, 12:18:53 PM »
Pairing this Celtics roster with Joe Mazulla is really a questionable decision.
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« Reply #2191 on: May 22, 2024, 12:19:57 PM »
I feel like 90% of their end of clock situations is a Tatum iso, and not a particularly good one.  Ive been with friends who have bets on 1H or quarter totals and its 1-2 points shy, Boston comes down with 20 seconds left and the possession results in an off balance or turnaround jumper from Tatum and they lose their minds.  Its part of the reason I don't think very highly of Mazulla.  He just has a supremely talented roster, but I rarely see any impressive tactical coaching.  And like you said, Tatum really feels like he's plateaued.  Insanely talented shot maker but I struggle to ever see him as a top 3-5 guy in the league the way he plays.

Tatum has the propensity to launch contested 3's in iso ball situations.  It's not the percentage play.  The guy is 6'10 and has the ability to play consistently closer to the rim.  He's strong enough to punish guards on switches inside.  It was interesting that until the tying shot and overtime, Brown and Tatum were pretty awful in the 4Q. 

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« Reply #2192 on: May 22, 2024, 01:09:35 PM »
Tatum has the propensity to launch contested 3's in iso ball situations.  It's not the percentage play.  The guy is 6'10 and has the ability to play consistently closer to the rim.  He's strong enough to punish guards on switches inside.  It was interesting that until the tying shot and overtime, Brown and Tatum were pretty awful in the 4Q.

Tatum was even meh early OT too. Was saved on one bad pass. Had the brutal TO to Haliburton and missed a shot or two. Got going late with that And 1.

Just doesn’t seem to have that consistent alpha in him. This Celtics roster is stacked enough and the east blows enough, it might still get him a ring tho.
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« Reply #2193 on: May 22, 2024, 01:42:02 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, the Pacers had a time out before they inbounded the ball with 8.5 secs.  I believe they could have advanced the ball, but does anyone know for sure?

They did, and Carlisle later expressed regret that he didn't use it.

I feel like 90% of their end of clock situations is a Tatum iso, and not a particularly good one.  Ive been with friends who have bets on 1H or quarter totals and its 1-2 points shy, Boston comes down with 20 seconds left and the possession results in an off balance or turnaround jumper from Tatum and they lose their minds.  Its part of the reason I don't think very highly of Mazulla.  He just has a supremely talented roster, but I rarely see any impressive tactical coaching.  And like you said, Tatum really feels like he's plateaued.  Insanely talented shot maker but I struggle to ever see him as a top 3-5 guy in the league the way he plays.

Agree about Mazulla - very unimpressive in-game coach. But he did run a nice play to free Brown up for the tying 3, so credit where it's due. And maybe (I don't know, just thinking out loud), he's good at managing egos and some of the other important stuff that good coaches do well.
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« Reply #2194 on: May 22, 2024, 02:12:31 PM »
Agree about Mazulla - very unimpressive in-game coach. But he did run a nice play to free Brown up for the tying 3, so credit where it's due.

True, but if Indiana just switches that screen it's not as clean of a catch.

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« Reply #2195 on: May 22, 2024, 02:15:06 PM »
They did, and Carlisle later expressed regret that he didn't use it.

Agree about Mazulla - very unimpressive in-game coach. But he did run a nice play to free Brown up for the tying 3, so credit where it's due. And maybe (I don't know, just thinking out loud), he's good at managing egos and some of the other important stuff that good coaches do well.

Then that was just a horrible mistake and inexplicable frankly. 

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« Reply #2196 on: May 22, 2024, 04:05:24 PM »
True, but if Indiana just switches that screen it's not as clean of a catch.

Sure. But you can say similar about any play that works: “If only the defense … “
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #2197 on: May 22, 2024, 07:58:36 PM »
There can't possibly be a worse player in the NBA than Kyle Anderson. Incredible this dude still plays.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #2198 on: May 22, 2024, 08:00:10 PM »
There can't possibly be a worse player in the NBA than Kyle Anderson. Incredible this dude still plays.

He just hit a shot.

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #2199 on: May 22, 2024, 08:00:31 PM »
Two shots. 

 

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