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Author Topic: [Paint Touches] What does OMax' decision mean for MU?  (Read 9507 times)

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Re: [Paint Touches] What doe OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2023, 08:21:15 AM »
Other than disagreeing with the notion that Ross can guard a 4, I really like this.   Thanks.
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Re: [Paint Touches] What doe OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2023, 08:40:31 AM »
Also, this is a good reminder that things can change, resulting in more opportunity. Could a Jop or Gokd or whoever be concerned with playing time? Sure. Very quickly, more minutes can become available at your current school… or disappear at a new school, should you transfer.

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Re: [Paint Touches] What doe OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2023, 08:48:45 AM »
Other than disagreeing with the notion that Ross can guard a 4, I really like this.   Thanks.

Not for extended periods of time, but he's solid enough to hold his own on a switch.

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Re: [Paint Touches] What doe OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2023, 08:55:39 AM »
Yes.  However, it was being discussed in the context of a 4 guard set.   So, for the sake of argument, Chase, Kam Stevie, and Tyler are the 4 guards.   The opponent has a 6'10 post, a 6'8 wing, and three guards.  Who guards the 6'8 wing?  Who switches?  How is the rebounding.affected?
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Re: [Paint Touches] What doe OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2023, 08:58:50 AM »
How is the rebounding.affected?

DReb can’t be much worse, hey
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Re: [Paint Touches] What doe OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2023, 08:59:55 AM »
We can hope.
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Re: [Paint Touches] What doe OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2023, 09:11:59 AM »
Also, this is a good reminder that things can change, resulting in more opportunity. Could a Jop or Gokd or whoever be concerned with playing time? Sure. Very quickly, more minutes can become available at your current school… or disappear at a new school, should you transfer.

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Re: [Paint Touches] What doe OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2023, 09:47:16 AM »
Yes.  However, it was being discussed in the context of a 4 guard set.   So, for the sake of argument, Chase, Kam Stevie, and Tyler are the 4 guards.   The opponent has a 6'10 post, a 6'8 wing, and three guards.  Who guards the 6'8 wing?  Who switches?  How is the rebounding.affected?

If last year was any indication they all will at some point. Assuming Shaka rolls with the returning guys, this is what I'm most interested in going into next year. OMax unlocked a lot of things defensively that will be hard to replicate. Does the staff adjust by playing a little more vanilla? Ben got cooked whenever he got switched out on the perimeter last year. Jop isn't terribly quick laterally either.

I'm skeptical as well of seeing four guard lineups for anything other than a few possessions.

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Re: [Paint Touches] What does OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2023, 09:54:32 AM »
Sam Vecenie of The Athletic now has Prosper at #25 on his board, but he also says Marquette is still a top-10 team even without O-Max.
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Re: [Paint Touches] What does OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2023, 09:58:12 AM »
Sam Vecenie of The Athletic now has Prosper at #25 on his board, but he also says Marquette is still a top-10 team even without O-Max.
i mean... yes, but their is a difference between 3/4 and 9/10/11.

I get why people would be bummed out.

granted, i think omax's decision was obvious

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Re: [Paint Touches] What does OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2023, 10:50:37 AM »
i mean... yes, but their is a difference between 3/4 and 9/10/11.

There
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Re: [Paint Touches] What does OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2023, 11:26:41 AM »
Shaka is looking for the right replacement.  It's a loss but we will be fine and may get a hammer addition. 

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Re: [Paint Touches] What does OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2023, 11:31:06 AM »
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The right addition will raise the ceiling.

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Re: [Paint Touches] What does OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2023, 11:34:19 AM »
Muggsy

The right addition will raise the ceiling.

That could be true, but I find it hard to get a higher ceiling than OMax would have given us. We are a national title contender with him. I think we can still be with a solid transfer.

Although, I don’t know how we’d be able to raise the ceiling with a transfer versus an NBA prospect that would be in his 3rd year in the program.

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Re: [Paint Touches] What does OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2023, 11:35:34 AM »
Muggsy

The right addition will raise the ceiling.

I'm disappointed but I'm sure Shaka anticipated this.  I believe the opportunity will be there to find a nice addition to our roster. 

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Re: [Paint Touches] What does OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2023, 11:37:15 AM »
Muggsy

The right addition will raise the ceiling.

Yes, Julian Philips would raise the ceiling.


Any other addition. Would raise the floor

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Re: [Paint Touches] What does OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2023, 11:39:29 AM »
I'm not concerned filling the hole from within, bc it's the only hole we have to fill.  If Oso left and Kam transferred then the draft & develop plan gets exposed but one roster spot lost?  That's sustainable.  Gold, Jop & Ross will all make big strides year over year.
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Re: [Paint Touches] What does OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2023, 12:29:36 PM »
If the ceiling is the national championship, nothing has changed. We should still have a significantly better offense & while O-Max's one-on-one defense seems irreplaceable, there was also consternation about the defensive losses of Morsell & Kuath. We could still have improved team defense even without a designated stopper like O-Max.

That isn't to say this isn't a big loss. You don't lose a guy who's being projected as a starter & borderline first round draft pick and not consider it a loss. But the system and pieces have the ability to overcome it.
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Re: [Paint Touches] What does OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2023, 12:59:26 PM »
i mean... yes, but their is a difference between 3/4 and 9/10/11.

Right now, they are just numbers spat out as conversation pieces. Some argue that rankings are always meaningless; I'm not in that group but I'd certainly argue that rankings in May aren't very meaningful. We'll see what the rankings are -- and more importantly, how Marquette actually plays -- when we get into next season.
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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2023, 01:29:46 PM »
I’m afraid Marquette will be in a lot of trap games now
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Re: [Paint Touches] What does OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2023, 01:31:10 PM »
How lucky are we that we get to bring the BE 6th man into the starting lineup so Gold can be next year's 6th man

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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2023, 01:32:46 PM »
How lucky are we that we get to bring the BE 6th man into the starting lineup so Gold can be next year's 6th man

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Re: [Paint Touches] What does OMax' decision mean for MU?
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2023, 01:59:38 PM »
What was our final defensive ranking last year?
A good coach adjusts his team to the talent he has.
Maybe we play a more solid halfcourt defense.
I understand the value of having Prosper cover all over the floor, but it does not necessarily mean our defense overall will not be better without him.

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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2023, 02:26:11 PM »
I understand the value of having Prosper cover all over the floor, but it does not necessarily mean our defense overall will not be better without him.

Yeah, but it doesn't not not mean that it won't not be not better, either.
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