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GOO

Anthony Bourdain said the reason food in restaurants tastes better,  than at home, is because chefs use a lot of salt and a lot of butter.  Early on and also at the finish - salt and butter. And they mean a lot when they say they use a lot. FYI: He also said shallots versus onions doesn't hurt either.  So if you want to impress guests load your food up with salt and butter - a lot more than you think and then some - and use shallots.

For most of the population, avoiding salt is important. A doc described it as sandpaper for your arteries, at least the effects. The salt industry would like you to think it is fine unless you are "allergic" to it. My understanding is that for most of us, we need to cut down on salt for a lot a health reasons and side effects - not just high blood pressure - that accumulate over time.

For those of us that avoid salt, we taste it in everything and it ruins a lot of meals out. For those that don't avoid it, it is just normal, so you won't notice it. So yes, restaurants over salt as a habit, at least to those of us who avoid it, but so does almost all prepared and frozen foods.  A lot of companies have started reducing salt in prepared foods, but reducing 1/3 of a really high number helps, but not much.  I read sodium on things before I buy, most stuff goes back on the shelf or freezer.

tower912

I am surprised he hasn't been repping the stories of orcas attacking boats.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MU82

Truly an as-salt on diners' senses!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

MuggsyB

#28
Quote from: GOO on May 22, 2023, 09:58:46 AM
Anthony Bourdain said the reason food in restaurants tastes better,  than at home, is because chefs use a lot of salt and a lot of butter.  Early on and also at the finish - salt and butter. And they mean a lot when they say they use a lot. FYI: He also said shallots versus onions doesn't hurt either.  So if you want to impress guests load your food up with salt and butter - a lot more than you think and then some - and use shallots.

For most of the population, avoiding salt is important. A doc described it as sandpaper for your arteries, at least the effects. The salt industry would like you to think it is fine unless you are "allergic" to it. My understanding is that for most of us, we need to cut down on salt for a lot a health reasons and side effects - not just high blood pressure - that accumulate over time.

For those of us that avoid salt, we taste it in everything and it ruins a lot of meals out. For those that don't avoid it, it is just normal, so you won't notice it. So yes, restaurants over salt as a habit, at least to those of us who avoid it, but so does almost all prepared and frozen foods.  A lot of companies have started reducing salt in prepared foods, but reducing 1/3 of a really high number helps, but not much.  I read sodium on things before I buy, most stuff goes back on the shelf or freezer.

I disagree a bit with this analysis because I'm 40 and don't "avoid salt".  The issue is whether they need to use 10 times the normal amount and whether it actually makes the food taste better?  I think with certain vegetables and bland foods you can almost anticipate how much salt and butter they're going to use.  I would also make a major distinction between too much butter vs too much salt if we're talking about taste.  Maybe we need to analyze this depending on the actual dish one orders?  What I do know is if I'm tasting a vat of salt in my mussels, when the components of butter, shallots, fennel, garlic, white wine, and an array of herbs, it should be more than ample to extract flavor, something is deeply wrong.   I also think "food tastes better at restaurants" is highly, highly, and I mean highly debatable.  It depends on the cuisine and how good one is as a home chef. 

lawdog77

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 22, 2023, 06:36:30 PM
I disagree a bit with this analysis because I'm 40 and don't "avoid salt".  The issue is whether they need to use 10 times the normal amount and whether it actually makes the food taste better?  I think with certain vegetables and bland foods you can almost anticipate how much salt and butter they're going to use.  I would also make a major distinction between too much butter vs too much salt if we're talking about taste.  Maybe we need to analyze this depending on the actual dish one orders?  What I do know is if I'm tasting a vat of salt in my mussels, when the components of butter, shallots, fennel, garlic, white wine, and array of spices should be more than ample to extract flavor, something is deeply wrong.
If the mussels taste too salty, they probably are not very fresh. Many places add salt to the broth when the mussels start to get fishy.Otherwise no salt is needed for mussels. Learned that in France.

warriorchick

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 22, 2023, 06:36:30 PM
I disagree a bit with this analysis because I'm 40 and don't "avoid salt".  The issue is whether they need to use 10 times the normal amount and whether it actually makes the food taste better?  I think with certain vegetables and bland foods you can almost anticipate how much salt and butter they're going to use.  I would also make a major distinction between too much butter vs too much salt if we're talking about taste.  Maybe we need to analyze this depending on the actual dish one orders?  What I do know is if I'm tasting a vat of salt in my mussels, when the components of butter, shallots, fennel, garlic, white wine, and array of spices should be more than ample to extract flavor, something is deeply wrong.

So you went out for a meal that you thought was too salty, but everyone else thought their food was fine.  You did nothing about it at the restaurant.  Instead you go to a public forum and accuse restaurants in general of  [checks notes] "trying to kill people".

Here is where you went wrong:

1.  You should have told your server that your food was far saltier than you were expecting and ask for something else or for the dish to be remade.  At a nice restaurant, this request should certainly be accomodated.
2.  Since you mentioned that for you, this in an ongoing problem, you should tell your server ahead of time that you don't like a lot of salt in your food, and could they please not add any salt during its preparation so you can salt it to your taste at the table.

Anything else is just yelling at clouds.
Have some patience, FFS.

panda

Quote from: warriorchick on May 22, 2023, 07:03:33 PM
So you went out for a meal that you thought was too salty, but everyone else thought their food was fine.  You did nothing about it at the restaurant.  Instead you go to a public forum and accuse restaurants in general of  [checks notes] "trying to kill people".

Here is where you went wrong:

1.  You should have told your server that your food was far saltier than you were expecting and ask for something else or for the dish to be remade.  At a nice restaurant, this request should certainly be accomodated.
2.  Since you mentioned that for you, this in an ongoing problem, you should tell your server ahead of time that you don't like a lot of salt in your food, and could they please not add any salt during its preparation so you can salt it to your taste at the table.

Anything else is just yelling at clouds.

Stop mansplaining dining

PointWarrior

Quote from: warriorchick on May 22, 2023, 07:03:33 PM
So you went out for a meal that you thought was too salty, but everyone else thought their food was fine.  You did nothing about it at the restaurant.  Instead you go to a public forum and accuse restaurants in general of  [checks notes] "trying to kill people".

Here is where you went wrong:

1.  You should have told your server that your food was far saltier than you were expecting and ask for something else or for the dish to be remade.  At a nice restaurant, this request should certainly be accomodated.
2.  Since you mentioned that for you, this in an ongoing problem, you should tell your server ahead of time that you don't like a lot of salt in your food, and could they please not add any salt during its preparation so you can salt it to your taste at the table.

Anything else is just yelling at clouds.

There should be a Superbar thread dedicated to "Old Men Yelling at Clouds"


MuggsyB

#33
Quote from: warriorchick on May 22, 2023, 07:03:33 PM
So you went out for a meal that you thought was too salty, but everyone else thought their food was fine.  You did nothing about it at the restaurant.  Instead you go to a public forum and accuse restaurants in general of  [checks notes] "trying to kill people".

Here is where you went wrong:

1.  You should have told your server that your food was far saltier than you were expecting and ask for something else or for the dish to be remade.  At a nice restaurant, this request should certainly be accomodated.
2.  Since you mentioned that for you, this in an ongoing problem, you should tell your server ahead of time that you don't like a lot of salt in your food, and could they please not add any salt during its preparation so you can salt it to your taste at the table.

Anything else is just yelling at clouds.

I don't think I'm yelling at clouds.  I believe my friends and many others are polite and also conform to societal gaslighting.  I could say my palate is more sophisticated but what's actually going on is people losing rudimentary focus and accepting that everything is wonderful at most of our eating establishments because others tell them how great they are.  I will stand by my oversalting rant. 

Frenns Liquor Depot

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 22, 2023, 07:25:36 PM
I don't think I'm yelling at clouds.  I believe my friends and many others are polite and also conform to societal gaslighting.  I could say my palate is more sophisticated but what's actually going on is people losing rudimentary focus and accepting that everything is wonderful at most of our eating establishments because others tell them how great they are.  I will stand by my oversalting rant.

Boy this word salad is salty.

jesmu84

Any evidence dietary sodium intake leads to health problems in otherwise healthy adults?

StillAWarrior

#36
Quote from: MuggsyB on May 21, 2023, 08:10:33 PM
I didn't send it back because everyone else seemed to enjoy their food.

How do you type those words and come to the conclusion that it's the restaurant's problem and not yours? You're saying, "Everyone else (including presumably a very talented professional chef at a high end restaurant) was wrong and I was right." Here's a tip: if everyone else seemed to enjoy their food, it was probably good food.

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 22, 2023, 07:25:36 PM
I don't think I'm yelling at clouds.  I believe my friends and many others are polite and also conform to societal gaslighting.  I could say my palate is more sophisticated but what's actually going on is people losing rudimentary focus and accepting that everything is wonderful at most of our eating establishments because others tell them how great they are.  I will stand by my oversalting rant. 

Ok, so you're doubling down on, "I am right and everyone else is wrong." Got it.
Never wrestle with a pig.  You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

noblewarrior

Sugar is far worse in my opinion.  Diet and health wise. 

MuggsyB

Quote from: StillAWarrior on May 22, 2023, 08:55:50 PM
How do you type those words and come to the conclusion that it's the restaurant's problem and not yours? You're saying, "Everyone else (including presumably a very talented professional chef at a high end restaurant) was wrong and I was right." Here's a tip: if everyone else seemed to enjoy their food, it was probably good food.

Ok, so you're doubling down on, "I am right and everyone else is wrong." Got it.

I am curious what the data shows as far as salt portions at the average restaurant vs what one uses at home.  Let's conservatively say it's 5 times more?
I would challenge our Scoop chefs to make some of their signature dishes, with 5 times as much salt, and ask whether or not their recipes are better or worse?

GOO

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on May 22, 2023, 07:49:44 PM
Boy this word salad is salty.

That reminds me. Has anyone else ever been served a salad with salt added? We have. I find it odd. And not something I want again.

I suspect sugar is likely worse and adds calories. Salt , sugar, fat, the trifecta of what people crave and fast food sells us all combined. Salt, for many, maybe the least evil of the three.

For Jes, I don't have your answer for salt and an otherwise healthy adult, but  look around. There are few healthy adults.

Dr. Blackheart

I like my women like my food: I prefer zesty over salty.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: The Lens on May 21, 2023, 11:57:40 PM
Don't go to Carnevor.  Milwaukee's most overrated restaurant oversalts everything. You'll die.   

All the food tastes the same.  Salt.

YES! This is the only restaurant that I have ever been too where I felt like the food was truly oversalted.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on May 22, 2023, 09:50:21 PM
I like my women like my food: I prefer zesty over salty.

Por que no los dos?
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


4everwarriors

Quote from: jesmu84 on May 22, 2023, 08:21:58 PM
Any evidence dietary sodium intake leads to health problems in otherwise healthy adults?


Yeah, your schmeckle shrinks, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

real chili 83

What's worse? Salt or refined carbs?

I'll go with carbs for worse.

MU82

This thread is peppered with spicy takes!
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"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

MuggsyB

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 23, 2023, 01:32:23 AM
YES! This is the only restaurant that I have ever been too where I felt like the food was truly oversalted.

This is either shocking or totally implausible.  But you should be commended for never going to a fast food or franchise restaurant in your life.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 23, 2023, 08:37:29 AM
This is either shocking or totally implausible.  But you should be commended for never going to a fast food or franchise restaurant in your life.

I should have added a quality standard. Also I've had individual dishes that were oversalted (most only slightly so) but Carnevor was the only restaurant where multiple dishes were oversalted.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


warriorchick

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 22, 2023, 09:34:38 PM

I would challenge our Scoop chefs to make some of their signature dishes, with 5 times as much salt, and ask whether or not their recipes are better or worse?

My guess that any Scooper that fancies him/herself as a serious cook already uses more salt than you probably care for.
Have some patience, FFS.

lawdog77

Quote from: warriorchick on May 23, 2023, 09:20:22 AM
My guess that any Scooper that fancies him/herself as a serious cook already uses more salt than you probably care for.
Yes. One needs salt in many dishes to build those layers of flavor, so as to not be one note. Most people undersalt their pasta water as well.

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