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Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Pakuni on March 05, 2023, 12:34:46 PM
Kolek unanimous 1st team.
Oso and Kam on 2nd team.

Rest of 1st team: Sanogo, Boum, Hopkins (also unanimous), Hawkins and Kalkbrenner.

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What a year!  Great accomplishments

The Equalizer

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 link=topic=64438.msg1528378#msg1528378 date=
I said he could get chances, but when I said he isn't an NBA guy I meant like "not a guy that is going to bolt the College atmosphere early to go play in front of 750 fans in the G League while he works for an opportunity."
He could get some run eventually.

Are you saying he's going to be able to jump right from college to the NBA if he waits a couple of more years?

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: The Equalizer on March 06, 2023, 11:44:30 AM
Are you saying he's going to be able to jump right from college to the NBA if he waits a couple of more years?

No.

He's going to have to work his way there either way.  However, similar to Collin Gillespie or Cassius Winston, he is just a high level College point guard that understands his value to the College game.

He's got a lot more left in College Hoops and he knows it. He gets it.
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Quote from: tower912 on March 06, 2023, 10:18:27 AM
Scoop says a lot of dumb things.  Like most fanbases.

Scoop is reactionary like all hard core fans.  Minute to minute of a game and then game to game.  People get caught up in the minutiae and can't see the big picture too often.  I don't even go to the game threads because they are cringe worthy.

But I think the overall perspective of the majority of scoopers was that Stevie was indispensable in his role and needed to be in the starting lineup. 
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The Sultan

I think Tyler Kolek is a way better NBA prospect than some here think. I'm not saying he's going after this year, but if his 2023-24 looks anything like his back half of this BE season, he will be on the radars of a lot of teams IMO.
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JWags85

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 06, 2023, 12:02:56 PM
No.

He's going to have to work his way there either way.  However, similar to Collin Gillespie or Cassius Winston, he is just a high level College point guard that understands his value to the College game.

He's got a lot more left in College Hoops and he knows it. He gets it.

Kolek has better size than either of them, a good 2-3 in taller.  He's a better passer and much better vision than Gillespie.  I don't think its crazy to say that he's a better overall scorer than Gillespie.

Also Winston was drafted in the second round, he didn't have to "work there".

We all want Kolek in a MU jersey for another 2 years, but making unfounded knocks to his NBA potential is just silly.  Marcus Sasser, LJ Cryer, and Grant Sherfield are all projected in the first 10-15 picks of the second round this year.  Kolek projects as well as any of them, especially since he's taller and a pure PG.

Hell, Tyrese Hunter is talked about as a second round pick coming out next year, and he can't shoot.

panda

Quote from: JWags85 on March 06, 2023, 02:27:04 PM
Kolek has better size than either of them, a good 2-3 in taller.  He's a better passer and much better vision than Gillespie.  I don't think its crazy to say that he's a better overall scorer than Gillespie.

Also Winston was drafted in the second round, he didn't have to "work there".

We all want Kolek in a MU jersey for another 2 years, but making unfounded knocks to his NBA potential is just silly.  Marcus Sasser, LJ Cryer, and Grant Sherfield are all projected in the first 10-15 picks of the second round this year.  Kolek projects as well as any of them, especially since he's taller and a pure PG.

Hell, Tyrese Hunter is talked about as a second round pick coming out next year, and he can't shoot.

Keep improving his shooting and he'll get a legitimate shot. His passing alone is a premier floor spacing trait.

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Quote from: JWags85 on March 06, 2023, 02:27:04 PM
Kolek has better size than either of them, a good 2-3 in taller.  He's a better passer and much better vision than Gillespie.  I don't think its crazy to say that he's a better overall scorer than Gillespie.

Also Winston was drafted in the second round, he didn't have to "work there".

We all want Kolek in a MU jersey for another 2 years, but making unfounded knocks to his NBA potential is just silly.  Marcus Sasser, LJ Cryer, and Grant Sherfield are all projected in the first 10-15 picks of the second round this year.  Kolek projects as well as any of them, especially since he's taller and a pure PG.

Hell, Tyrese Hunter is talked about as a second round pick coming out next year, and he can't shoot.

You said this better than I did, Wags. Agree with every word.
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Steve Nash won 2 NBA MVP's.  Are Tyler's measurables all that different from Nash's? 

I think he'll get a shot, hopefully 2 years from now.

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: JWags85 on March 06, 2023, 02:27:04 PM
Kolek has better size than either of them, a good 2-3 in taller.  He's a better passer and much better vision than Gillespie.  I don't think its crazy to say that he's a better overall scorer than Gillespie.

Also Winston was drafted in the second round, he didn't have to "work there".

We all want Kolek in a MU jersey for another 2 years, but making unfounded knocks to his NBA potential is just silly.  Marcus Sasser, LJ Cryer, and Grant Sherfield are all projected in the first 10-15 picks of the second round this year.  Kolek projects as well as any of them, especially since he's taller and a pure PG.

Hell, Tyrese Hunter is talked about as a second round pick coming out next year, and he can't shoot.

Again, I think Tyler could get run in the NBA but he's going to come back next year.  The NBA is all about quick offense being able to create your own shot.  At this point he really can't do that.  He can get to the rim really well here but that's a different animal in the NBA.

Maybe he uses his COVID year, maybe he doesn't.  Either way I'll enjoy watching him this year and next year and then hope he gets his chance.
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withoutbias

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 06, 2023, 03:28:28 PM
Again, I think Tyler could get run in the NBA but he's going to come back next year.  The NBA is all about quick offense being able to create your own shot.  At this point he really can't do that.  He can get to the rim really well here but that's a different animal in the NBA.

Maybe he uses his COVID year, maybe he doesn't.  Either way I'll enjoy watching him this year and next year and then hope he gets his chance.

Hopefully for Marquette fans your guarantee here isn't as wrong as the rest of your guarantees go.  Wisconsin just always gets it done, Marquette tries hard but can't stop anyone, Marquette will not beat UCONN this year, etc.

RJax55

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 06, 2023, 03:28:28 PM
Again, I think Tyler could get run in the NBA but he's going to come back next year.  The NBA is all about quick offense being able to create your own shot.  At this point he really can't do that.  He can get to the rim really well here but that's a different animal in the NBA.

Maybe he uses his COVID year, maybe he doesn't.  Either way I'll enjoy watching him this year and next year and then hope he gets his chance.

Tyler is going to be 22 later this month. Age matters to NBA teams. In NBA terms, he's kind of old right now as a prospect. I think he's back next year, but if he goes, I get it. Better to start your NBA journey (whether that's being drafted or the G League) at 22, then 23 or 24.

JWags85

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 06, 2023, 03:28:28 PM
Again, I think Tyler could get run in the NBA but he's going to come back next year.  The NBA is all about quick offense being able to create your own shot.  At this point he really can't do that.  He can get to the rim really well here but that's a different animal in the NBA.

Maybe he uses his COVID year, maybe he doesn't.  Either way I'll enjoy watching him this year and next year and then hope he gets his chance.

Nobody is suggesting he is, or should be, leaving after this year.  But you are back tracking from earlier statements implying he's no more than a G League player whenever he leaves.

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: JWags85 on March 06, 2023, 06:45:47 PM
Nobody is suggesting he is, or should be, leaving after this year.  But you are back tracking from earlier statements implying he's no more than a G League player whenever he leaves.

"If F-em wins BEPOY, what's the motivation to come back? AA?"

That was a direct quote from this thread.
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Pakuni

Quote from: 94Warrior on March 06, 2023, 03:20:23 PM
Steve Nash won 2 NBA MVP's.  Are Tyler's measurables all that different from Nash's? 

I think he'll get a shot, hopefully 2 years from now.

TK has been awesome, but let's not wade into Magic Dawson territory just yet.



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Just keep Kolek-ting accolades.  Well deserved.
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Pakuni

Quote from: withoutbias on March 07, 2023, 10:28:46 AM
I thought you only posted on the Superbar.

This isn't the Superbar?

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The Field of 68 has TyKo as a 1st Team AA (sorry if this was posted somewhere else...I don't recall seeing it).
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