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NIL, transfers, and 2024-25.
« on: March 02, 2023, 08:34:25 PM »
On FB, MU legend Jim McIlvaine posted a very long missive on Tyler Kolek and the math he'd need to beat out Tony Miller's various assist records.

The interesting part was where he posits that with NIL, bagmen are coming for MU's players.

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No matter what happens in the Big East Tournament, no matter what happens in the NCAA tournament, if the NBA doesn't come calling for Tyler or any other Marquette players this year, you can believe bagmen from all over the country will be descending upon this team.

The money is very real, very legal now and I don't fault any of these kids for taking it, if offered, but that is the reality and I just don't see how it doesn't happen to at least some of them.

Louisville is 4-26 in the AAC. Oklahoma is 4-13 in the Big 12. LSU is 2-15 in the SEC. SMU is 5-11 in the AAC. All of these schools and plenty more know how to pay players and have the money to do it.
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I know a lot of Marquette fans think the team will be even better next year, but how do you keep this team together for one more season?

The only way that might happen is if a Blue & Gold Brinks truck beats the other Brinks trucks onto Wisconsin Ave.

This isn't a surprising take.  It just .. stings.

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Re: NIL, transfers, and 2024-25.
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2023, 08:39:58 PM »
On FB, MU legend Jim McIlvaine posted a very long missive on Tyler Kolek and the math he'd need to beat out Tony Miller's various assist records.

The interesting part was where he posits that with NIL, bagmen are coming for MU's players.

This isn't a surprising take.  It just .. stings.

So MU legend can’t enjoy the ride… has to ride the concern train into cutting down nets on Saturday.

Who the F knows? Maybe some of the big boosters roll in and pay these kids bank…

But why worry about this now? How about enjoy how fuggin awesome this season is right now.

And why doesn’t MU legend exNBA player Jim McIlvany out up some dough?

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Re: NIL, transfers, and 2024-25.
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2023, 08:43:59 PM »
Mac stated the truth. I’m not going to spend one second worrying about next year and going to spend every second enjoying this season. That said, I think MU will have a nice Brinks truck on call.

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Re: NIL, transfers, and 2024-25.
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2023, 08:44:41 PM »
On FB, MU legend Jim McIlvaine posted a very long missive on Tyler Kolek and the math he'd need to beat out Tony Miller's various assist records.

The interesting part was where he posits that with NIL, bagmen are coming for MU's players.

This isn't a surprising take.  It just .. stings.

Doesn't matter.  If that happens and Marquette thinks they need those players, then they'll find a way to keep them.

I don't buy them just leaving for money because the reality is, none of these guys are guys that teams are going to back up a truck for.  They are all just pretty good players that make a really good team.

Kolek has become one of the best players in the country because of Shaka and Marquette recognizing his talents and making it the perfect situation for him. Marquette will be fine.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2023, 08:47:31 PM by GoldenEagles03 »
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2023, 08:49:33 PM »
Dont get me wrong it could happen.

But our team is partially really good because of the team. I dont see teams offering our guys(aside maybe TK who we wont let get away) a Pack type of deal.

And as far as our starters go they already have starter roles on a really good team. So they dont have to leave for PT. So someone will have to really overpay.

Could happen. But I think MU will do what needs to be done.
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Re: NIL, transfers, and 2024-25.
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2023, 08:49:46 PM »
This off-season is the first test to see if MU is a real player in the NIL world.   Let’s enjoy the rest of this season and find out if we’re second class citizens later.

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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2023, 08:56:37 PM »
I guess I’m just waiting for evidence NIL poaching is major deal in basketball. Anyone that thinks so is free to provide 5 examples of it… 🦗 🦗 🦗

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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2023, 09:00:32 PM »
I question the timing.
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2023, 09:05:44 PM »
I guess I’m just waiting for evidence NIL poaching is major deal in basketball. Anyone that thinks so is free to provide 5 examples of it… 🦗 🦗 🦗

I’m very curious about this as well.  Hopefully, 1) I and others are making a mountain out of a mole hill or 2) MU is a real player and can pay their players large sums of cash.
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2023, 09:08:47 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2023, 09:23:41 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2023, 09:24:48 PM »
We are in untested waters with NIL - so we will see how it all shakes out.   Hoping Marquette is competitive …..

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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2023, 09:30:32 PM »
OMax and Gold cannot partake in NIL lucre.  But I can envision scenarios where Mac is right.
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Re: NIL, transfers, and 2024-25.
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2023, 09:32:59 PM »
OMax and Gold cannot partake in NIL lucre.  But I can envision scenarios where Mac is right.

I thought this too for international guys but they both posted on social media that they had joined the Be the Difference Collective before the season so I’m not sure.

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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2023, 09:36:10 PM »
Shaka built a great team. Aside from Oso, I don’t see any of our players getting poached. There will be better options for teams looking to build through the portal offering big time NIL $’s.

Also I can’t stress this enough. Be the Difference is in place to keep our players. We’re not using it to attract big time transfers. There will be enough money to keep our guys here.

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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2023, 09:37:00 PM »
Shaka built a great team. Aside from Oso, I don’t see any of our players getting poached. There will be better options for teams looking to build through the portal offering big time NIL $’s.

Also I can’t stress this enough. Be the Difference is in place to keep our players. We’re not using it to attract big time transfers. There will be enough money to keep our guys here.

Agreed. I predict 0 NIL transfers.

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Re: NIL, transfers, and 2024-25.
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2023, 09:38:52 PM »
Garcia was already poached. How did that work out?

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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2023, 09:39:22 PM »
Shaka built a great team. Aside from Oso, I don’t see any of our players getting poached. There will be better options for teams looking to build through the portal offering big time NIL $’s.

Also I can’t stress this enough. Be the Difference is in place to keep our players. We’re not using it to attract big time transfers. There will be enough money to keep our guys here.

Oso is one of them that I feel is most likely not to be poached.

Hes so perfect in Shakas system and how we use him. And playing with a guy like TK.
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Re: NIL, transfers, and 2024-25.
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2023, 09:41:59 PM »
OMax and Gold cannot partake in NIL lucre.  But I can envision scenarios where Mac is right.

I understand that they cannot because they are not US citizens, but for the life of me, I do not understand why that matters. Is it their visa status that prevents it?

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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2023, 09:42:47 PM »
Oso is one of them that I feel is most likely not to be poached.

Hes so perfect in Shakas system and how we use him. And playing with a guy like TK.

He’d be perfect in a lot of systems. He’s a talented player

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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2023, 09:48:52 PM »
OMax and Gold cannot partake in NIL lucre.

I don't think that's as true as you think. Where there's a will, there's a way
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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2023, 09:49:09 PM »
I don't buy them just leaving for money because the reality is, none of these guys are guys that teams are going to back up a truck for.  They are all just pretty good players that make a really good team.

Naive, and wrong.

Kolek is gonna be BEPOY and will make some All-American teams. That "just pretty good" is just pretty better than most of the guards in the country, and almost every program would love to have him. Kam and Oso could be targeted, too.

I'm choosing to: 1. Believe that Marquette's NIL people also will want to spend money on our best players; and mostly, B. Think about this fun season rather than worry about hypothetical future stuff that's out of my control.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2023, 10:17:17 PM by MU82 »
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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2023, 10:02:24 PM »
I don't think that's as true as you think. Where there's a will, there's a way

Didn’t Kentucky just fly Tshiebwe to Canada where he signed his deals?

If you want to compete, get creative. I have no doubts options will be available for those born outside of this beautiful country.

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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2023, 10:07:05 PM »
Loyalty should be strong from this group too. No one on this roster is a team jumper (high school or college) and Shaka took a chance on several of these guys. He easily could’ve built through the portal this season but rode the guys he had. You can see how much that means to all of these guys.

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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2023, 10:21:20 PM »
If this team makes a Final Four run, we'll do what we did last time --- raise enough money to build the Al.  Except this time the money goes into the players wallets.  Facilites and assistant coaches salaries sky rocketed in the last 20 years bc they needed spend the money somewhere.  TV money will stay with schools but the booster money can go to the kids.  IMO money stays the same, difference is who is cashing checks.
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