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Re: Results since NCAA reveal
« Reply #75 on: March 02, 2023, 10:40:56 AM »
The problem with statements about conference strength is that we usually only look at the top teams.  The Big Ten isn't "terrible." They just have a bunch of mediocre teams that are going to fill out the 6-9 seeds in the bracket but only have one or two that step out.

The Big East has a TERRIBLE bottom.  That's what is dragging the conference down.

Hoping Ewing and Anderson are gone after they lose in the BET. And what's the matta with Matta?

I really do not understand some scoopers who seem to think having weak teams to build up their W/L records is a good thing.
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Re: Results since NCAA reveal
« Reply #76 on: March 02, 2023, 10:44:48 AM »
I'm aware. And the person I was responding to was conflating 2nd place with 2nd best. That was the point I was trying to make.

Ok, now I understand. We are in agreement.

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Re: Results since NCAA reveal
« Reply #77 on: March 02, 2023, 10:51:09 AM »
Hoping Ewing and Anderson are gone after they lose in the BET. And what's the matta with Matta?

I really do not understand some scoopers who seem to think having weak teams to build up their W/L records is a good thing.

I'd wait a couple years on Matta to see if he's really "back" from his back. I know the games changed since he was at Ohio st but it's hard to believe someone who's had unreal success at 3 schools wouldn't be able to be at least competitive
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Re: Results since NCAA reveal
« Reply #78 on: March 02, 2023, 10:57:22 AM »
I'd wait a couple years on Matta to see if he's really "back" from his back. I know the games changed since he was at Ohio st but it's hard to believe someone who's had unreal success at 3 schools wouldn't be able to be at least competitive


During the MU game at one point, they showed him up close and he was just rubbing his forehead.  I wondered at that point if he was having any regrets.
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Re: Results since NCAA reveal
« Reply #79 on: March 02, 2023, 11:00:12 AM »

During the MU game at one point, they showed him up close and he was just rubbing his forehead.  I wondered at that point if he was having any regrets.

I thought he was struggling to walk quite a bit on the sidelines. I wouldn’t be shocked if he doesn’t last very long at Butler.

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Re: Results since NCAA reveal
« Reply #80 on: March 02, 2023, 11:25:03 AM »
The Big East this year is probably one of strongest conferences ever. The conference's fifth place team is seventh in the NET.

I doubt this is one of the strongest Big East years of the past decade
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« Reply #81 on: March 02, 2023, 11:27:57 AM »
I doubt this is one of the strongest Big East years of the past decade

The grouping at the top is stronger than usual.  The bottom is weak.  In the recent past you usually had Nova hunting a 1 seed and then a bunch of 7-10 seeds.  This year you have a bunch of 3-5 seeds and then out of the Tournament.
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Re: Results since NCAA reveal
« Reply #82 on: March 02, 2023, 11:28:38 AM »
I doubt this is one of the strongest Big East years of the past decade

If you say this, then you’d  have to think college basketball as a whole is down. If you said it about the BiG14Whatever, then of course I’d agree with you. 🤣

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« Reply #83 on: March 02, 2023, 11:31:51 AM »
The grouping at the top is stronger than usual.  The bottom is weak.  In the recent past you usually had Nova hunting a 1 seed and then a bunch of 7-10 seeds.  This year you have a bunch of 3-5 seeds and then out of the Tournament.

Have you seen the BiG14Whatever lately? Bunch of 5-10 seeds and then out of the tournament.

I actually feel like the BigEast and the BiG14Whatever are going to make solid NCAA runs this year.

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Re: Results since NCAA reveal
« Reply #84 on: March 02, 2023, 12:43:10 PM »
Based on the information updated, here's the records of each school since the last announcement in easy to read format and my guess where they'll be seeded.

Rank     School   Seed   Record   Guess
1     Alabama    1   4-1      1
2    Houston   1   4-0      1
3    Purdue   1   1-2      3
4    Kansas    1   5-0      1
5    Texas    2   2-2      2
6    Arizona   2   2-1      2
7    Baylor    2   2-2      2
8    UCLA    2   4-0      1
9    Tennessee 3   3-2      3
10   Virginia    3   3-2      4
11.    Iowa St   3   0-3      Out
12.    Kan. St   3   4-1      2
13    Indiana    4   2-3      Out
14    Marquette   4   3-0      3
15    Gonzaga    4   4-0      3
16    Xavier    4   2-2      Out

Notably, I would expect Indiana, Xavier and Iowa State to be out of the Top 4 seeds.

The four "1" seeds would be UCLA, Houston, Alabama and Kansas. All have been leaders all season and are playing well now.

I see Texas, Arizona and Baylor with Kansas State to be two seeds.

Purdue has played so poorly lately, I'd imagine them a three seed, along with us, Gonzaga and Tennessee. I can't see us, given the NCAA's historical bias against us and our comparative schedule strength being any higher than 3 absent running the table and having three or four teams ahead of us lose.

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« Reply #85 on: March 02, 2023, 09:56:07 PM »
UCLA up 20 on Arizona State with under 4 to go. That locks them into a 2 seed. Hopefully USC can do us a favor against Arizona tonight.
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Re: Results since NCAA reveal
« Reply #86 on: March 02, 2023, 10:37:20 PM »
Jerry Palm’s latest has MU a 2 seed.

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« Reply #87 on: March 02, 2023, 11:19:52 PM »
Jerry Palm’s latest has MU a 2 seed.

I think that’s further proof we are a 3 seed right now.

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Re: Results since NCAA reveal
« Reply #88 on: March 03, 2023, 07:15:15 AM »
Quit citing Jerry Palm and Joe Lunardi
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« Reply #89 on: March 03, 2023, 08:31:07 AM »
Arizona wins at USC. That's another Q1 road win for them. That may lock us out of a 2 seed. I still think they are our best chance to pass.  Would need them to lose to UCLA and lose to someone stupid in the P12 tourney first round
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« Reply #90 on: March 03, 2023, 11:46:53 PM »
While I agree the 2 seed is incredibly improbable, if not impossible at the stage.

It is kinda bothersome that the outright winner of the second or third best conference in the country can’t get on the two line.

Especially if they win the BET.
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« Reply #91 on: March 03, 2023, 11:48:56 PM »
On scoop?  After TAMU and Brew have exhaustively explained how this stuff works?  🤔
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Re: Results since NCAA reveal
« Reply #92 on: March 03, 2023, 11:51:48 PM »
Not how it works

Michigan is in 2nd place in the big ten. Most don’t have them in the field.

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« Reply #93 on: March 04, 2023, 12:15:52 PM »
ISU helping us out with Baylor - if we win out we must be ahead of them if they take the L here and one more in the B12 tourney.
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« Reply #94 on: March 04, 2023, 11:00:56 PM »
Tenn and KSU also down - Brew - doesn't that put us as the last 2?
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« Reply #95 on: March 05, 2023, 12:11:03 AM »
Michigan is in 2nd place in the big ten. Most don’t have them in the field.

Worth noting its a SEVEN way tie for 2nd.  Which is kind of hilarious.

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« Reply #96 on: March 05, 2023, 01:23:58 AM »
Tenn and KSU also down - Brew - doesn't that put us as the last 2?

Arizona is the last 2 at this point. We may be the top 3. If I had to guess the S-Curve right now:

1. Houston
2. Alabama
3. Kansas
4. UCLA
5. Purdue
6. Texas
7. Baylor
8. Arizona
9. Marquette
10. Kansas State
11. Tennessee
12. Gonzaga
13. UConn

There's not much distance between the current 3 seeds. I think UConn may be close as well
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« Reply #97 on: March 05, 2023, 03:56:40 AM »
Arizona is the last 2 at this point. We may be the top 3. If I had to guess the S-Curve right now:

1. Houston
2. Alabama
3. Kansas
4. UCLA
5. Purdue
6. Texas
7. Baylor
8. Arizona
9. Marquette
10. Kansas State
11. Tennessee
12. Gonzaga
13. UConn

There's not much distance between the current 3 seeds. I think UConn may be close as well

I get overall body of work yadda yadda - but at the level of the last 2 seed presumably the committee takes a REALLY close look at the specific comparison. Baylor is 2-3 since the reveal and that ISU loss is *just* Q1  - and it was a large margin loss. Marquette will have those Nova and SHU wins *just* outside Q1 - I get the line is the line - but when you combine that with the fact that MU SPANKED Baylor head 2 head how in the world could the committee but Baylor ahead of MU we win the BET and Baylor loses in the B12T?
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« Reply #98 on: March 05, 2023, 04:13:39 AM »
Plus - unless Baylor wins out they will have 10 losses - the "eye test" of double-digit losses. Tried to ask ChatGPT how many times two seeds have had 10 or more losses - I don't think we have to worry about AI taking our jerbs anytime soon....

"Since the NCAA men's basketball tournament expanded to 64 teams in 1985, 2 seeds have had 10 or more regular season losses only a few times.

To be more specific, only four teams have been selected as 2 seeds despite having 10 or more losses in the regular season. These teams are:

UCLA in 1986 - finished the regular season with a record of 18-11
Oklahoma in 1992 - finished the regular season with a record of 19-11
Michigan State in 2001 - finished the regular season with a record of 19-12
Michigan State in 2016 - finished the regular season with a record of 26-5, but lost its first game in the Big Ten tournament, finishing the season with a record of 26-6"

Incidentally - I think UNC in 2018 is the only 2 seed in the modern era with 10 or more regular seasons losses - but I could be wrong since ChatGPT couldn't help me out.
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Re: Results since NCAA reveal
« Reply #99 on: March 05, 2023, 05:48:46 AM »
Based on the information updated, here's the records of each school since the last announcement in easy to read format and my guess where they'll be seeded.

Rank     School   Seed   Record   Guess
1     Alabama    1   4-1      1
2    Houston   1   4-0      1
3    Purdue   1   1-2      3
4    Kansas    1   5-0      1
5    Texas    2   2-2      2
6    Arizona   2   2-1      2
7    Baylor    2   2-2      2
8    UCLA    2   4-0      1
9    Tennessee 3   3-2      3
10   Virginia    3   3-2      4
11.    Iowa St   3   0-3      Out
12.    Kan. St   3   4-1      2
13    Indiana    4   2-3      Out
14    Marquette   4   3-0      3
15    Gonzaga    4   4-0      3
16    Xavier    4   2-2      Out

Notably, I would expect Indiana, Xavier and Iowa State to be out of the Top 4 seeds.

The four "1" seeds would be UCLA, Houston, Alabama and Kansas. All have been leaders all season and are playing well now.

I see Texas, Arizona and Baylor with Kansas State to be two seeds.

Purdue has played so poorly lately, I'd imagine them a three seed, along with us, Gonzaga and Tennessee. I can't see us, given the NCAA's historical bias against us and our comparative schedule strength being any higher than 3 absent running the table and having three or four teams ahead of us lose.

Not a chance in a million that Purdue drops all the way to a 3 seed.