SOTG SJU

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

We all get what he means.

FT Percentages don't have a direct correlation to wins-losses over the course of a season, but single points and momentum sure do matter in close games.
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That's actually not it. Closeish

[Its DJOver]

We know what it means, but when the poster that is famous for throwing out #fakenews and #lies every time any small detail is wrong about any post, as well as their other schtick being the grammar police, it's fair to jump on him.

Free throws do matter, so his #ftnomatta is incorrect.  If someone else were to throw that out, he'd do his #fakenews and say something like #ftratemattas, which is true, free throw rate is far more important that individual free throw percentage, but free throws do matter. 

At this point I think it's just throwing bait the same way people throw bait at Ners by bringing up Magic Dawson, or Sultan by bringing up the Mecca.

[CTWarrior]

I think the SOTG is Kolek almost every game, as things seem to go south whenever he sits.

So I'd pick him, but wouldn't argue at all with O-Max.

[The Sultan]

We know what it means, but when the poster that is famous for throwing out #fakenews and #lies every time any small detail is wrong about any post, as well as their other schtick being the grammar police, it's fair to jump on him.

Free throws do matter, so his #ftnomatta is incorrect.  If someone else were to throw that out, he'd do his #fakenews and say something like #ftratemattas, which is true, free throw rate is far more important that individual free throw percentage, but free throws do matter. 

You can't really say "we know what it means" in the first paragraph, then in the second paragraph show that you don't know what it actually means.

[Elonsmusk]

We know what it means, but when the poster that is famous for throwing out #fakenews and #lies every time any small detail is wrong about any post, as well as their other schtick being the grammar police, it's fair to jump on him.

Free throws do matter, so his #ftnomatta is incorrect.  If someone else were to throw that out, he'd do his #fakenews and say something like #ftratemattas, which is true, free throw rate is far more important that individual free throw percentage, but free throws do matter. 

At this point I think it's just throwing bait the same way people throw bait at Ners by bringing up Magic Dawson, or Sultan by bringing up the Mecca.

I agree with this analaysis.

[wadesworld]

Free throws always matter.  The crystal ball is Gospel.

Carry on.

[Goose]

CTWarrior

Kolek is the MVP of the team and most important player by a wide margin. He is the driver of the bus, and he has been outstanding all season long. He was the important guy last season and has taken his game to the next level. He is the perfect guy for this offense.

[Elonsmusk]

You can't really say "we know what it means" in the first paragraph, then in the second paragraph show that you don't know what it actually means.

Let's just get as obtuse as JayBee's stupid Free Throws No Matta schtick.  If you have a crazy high FT Rate, but you are a terrible FT shooting team, let's say a 45% FT shooting team.  Do the Free Throws/FreeThrow Percentage made no longer matta?

Of course the more you get to the line the better, but leaving a crap ton of points at the FT line will cost you games. 

[Its DJOver]

You can't really say "we know what it means" in the first paragraph, then in the second paragraph show that you don't know what it actually means.

I understand the concept perfectly fine.

[The Sultan]

I understand the concept perfectly fine.

JB doesn't mean individual free throws don't matter. I mean, it's always better to make free throws then miss them. 

Let's just get as obtuse as JayBee's stupid Free Throws No Matta schtick.  If you have a crazy high FT Rate, but you are a terrible FT shooting team, let's say a 45% FT shooting team.  Do the Free Throws/FreeThrow Percentage made no longer matta?

Of course the more you get to the line the better, but leaving a crap ton of points at the FT line will cost you games. 

No sh*t.

What it means is that FT% is generally not a statistically significant factor in a team's success in comparison to other factors. That's it. Not that making free throws isn't important or that missing them has no consequence.

[Its DJOver]

What it means is that FT% is generally not a statistically significant factor in a team's success in comparison to other factors. That's it. Not that making free throws isn't important or that missing them has no consequence.

So he knowingly and openly contradicts himself. A bit ironic considering his tendency to jump on posters for getting small (often times insignificant) details wrong.

This is why people throw that bait.

[Elonsmusk]

JB doesn't mean individual free throws don't matter. I mean, it's always better to make free throws then miss them. 


No sh*t.

What it means is that FT% is generally not a statistically significant factor in a team's success in comparison to other factors. That's it. Not that making free throws isn't important or that missing them has no consequence.

LOL.  Re-read what you wrote.  "Not that making free throws isn't important."   So Offensive Rebounding is one of the Four Factors Ken Pom uses as most important to winning - let's say you consistently hack the player good at O-Rebounding and he's a crappy FT shooter - consider Tolu Smith at MS State - he'd likely score 2 points off the O-Rebound, but you put him on the line and he's 55%.  So, does FT% in that example nullify the importance of O-Rebounding Rate?

There's a lot of ways to skin the cat, but on the whole JayBees FTs No Matta is one of the dumbest schticks on Scoop.

[The Sultan]

So he knowingly and openly contradicts himself.

You are making the mistake of equating "#FTnomatta" with "making free throws doesn't matter."

[The Sultan]

LOL.  Re-read what you wrote.  "Not that making free throws isn't important."   So Offensive Rebounding is one of the Four Factors Ken Pom uses as most important to winning - let's say you consistently hack the player good at O-Rebounding and he's a crappy FT shooter - consider Tolu Smith at MS State - he'd likely score 2 points off the O-Rebound, but you put him on the line and he's 55%.  So, does FT% in that example nullify the importance of O-Rebounding Rate?

You realize that statistics aren't perfect right? They are indicators of past action that can be used by coaches to guide future action. But they are no guaranty.

You are doing the equivalent of someone saying "how can the mid-range game not be important if player X hit a mid range jumper at the buzzer to win the game."

[MU82]

Kolek is the MVP of the team and most important player by a wide margin. He is the driver of the bus, and he has been outstanding all season long. He was the important guy last season and has taken his game to the next level. He is the perfect guy for this offense.

There is absolutely nobody on the roster even remotely capable of replacing Oso. If we had, say, a Kuath-level big instead of this year's Oso but otherwise had the same team, we'd be lucky to win half our games.

Kolek is obviously a valuable player and I love how much he has improved. I could maybe even go with co-MVP. To say "most important player by a wide margin," I'm actually a little surprised by that given Oso's out-sized value to the team, Goose.

[wadesworld]

LOL.  Re-read what you wrote.  "Not that making free throws isn't important."   So Offensive Rebounding is one of the Four Factors Ken Pom uses as most important to winning - let's say you consistently hack the player good at O-Rebounding and he's a crappy FT shooter - consider Tolu Smith at MS State - he'd likely score 2 points off the O-Rebound, but you put him on the line and he's 55%.  So, does FT% in that example nullify the importance of O-Rebounding Rate?

There's a lot of ways to skin the cat, but on the whole JayBees FTs No Matta is one of the dumbest schticks on Scoop.

If an opponent's strategy is to send the 55% free throw shooter to the line every time he shoots the ball, and the 55% free throw shooter shoots his season average, that team will score 1.1 points per possession.  There are only 19 teams in America that score more than 1.1 points per possession.

[Its DJOver]

You are making the mistake of equating "#FTnomatta" with "making free throws doesn't matter."

Well, he only brings up FTnomatta when people complain about missing free throws. 

Everyone knows that getting to the line is important, not only are they high efficient shots, they get the other team in foul trouble. Nobody likes missing free throws, people like to complain about it, only one poster feels the need to play the smartest guy in the room and throw out his schtick that everyone has read 1000 times.

[rocky_warrior]

You are making the mistake of equating "#FTnomatta" with "making free throws doesn't matter."

Since you like semantics...it's doesn't matter whether people understand JB's 'free throws don't matter" gag, he's factually incorrect in stating that, and should phrase it differently to better convey his point.

[Skatastrophy]

Missing the front end of a 1-and-1 should count as 2 misses.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

We know what it means, but when the poster that is famous for throwing out #fakenews and #lies every time any small detail is wrong about any post, as well as their other schtick being the grammar police, it's fair to jump on him.

Free throws do matter, so his #ftnomatta is incorrect.  If someone else were to throw that out, he'd do his #fakenews and say something like #ftratemattas, which is true, free throw rate is far more important that individual free throw percentage, but free throws do matter. 

At this point I think it's just throwing bait the same way people throw bait at Ners by bringing up Magic Dawson, or Sultan by bringing up the Mecca.

^Word

[1318WWells]

JB doesn't mean individual free throws don't matter. I mean, it's always better to make free throws then miss them. 


No sh*t.

What it means is that FT% is generally not a statistically significant factor in a team's success in comparison to other factors. That's it. Not that making free throws isn't important or that missing them has no consequence.

When a team is trailing late and looking to start fouling to play catch up, do they look at the opposing teams individual FT%s or FTRs when deciding who best to foul?

[The Sultan]

When a team is trailing late and looking to start fouling to play catch up, do they look at the opposing teams individual FT%s or FTRs when deciding who best to foul?

FT%...which changes nothing in my statement about FT% v. FTR overall.

[Pepe Sylvia]

We got another game tomorrow, can we get O-Max up there before its too late?

[BrewCity83]

O-Maximum.  He could've sat out the entire first half and won SOTG just by his 2nd half performance alone.

Book it.

[Newsdreams]

We got another game tomorrow, can we get O-Max up there before its too late?

Epiphany today you pagan!