Golf 2025

[Goose]

tower

As a rule, I have never liked the crazy low scores, but the Buick was one event I loved watching them go low. Some great winners there and always enjoyed that tournament. You ever attend?

[tower912]

No.  It ended before I had disposable time or income.

[Herman Cain]

Koepka won LIV at The Greenbriar. Beat Rahm in playoff. Interview with Brooks:

https://youtu.be/2mBwwvK6APM?si=i17xrqDTn5p_qM2C

[Dish]

Isn't the problem that FedEx and Coca-Cola are such large sponsors that they are going to want two of the events in Memphis and Atlanta respectively? That means the only one that is rotated is the BMW, which has been in the Chicago area a few times.

EDIT: I also wonder if the courses in Wisconsin actually WANT to host an event. They only have so many weeks to make money off of golf-tourism right? Shutting down the course for a few weeks doesn't help that.

You make really good points I didn't consider.

I probably should have just said the entire tour schedule (not just the playoff events) skipping Chicago/Wisconsin feels like a missed opportunity for the tour/golf fans. Certainly should take your points (especially on sponsors) into consideration.

I guess I'm old enough now to have taken for granted getting the Western Open and GMO on the tour's regular schedule. Don't get me started on the men's future majors skipping the Midwest altogether. At least the Women are coming to MN and Chicago Golf Club in the next decade.

Edit: Hazeltine does have the Ryder Cup in '29.

[The Sultan]

Moving the PGA to May really screwed the upper midwest when it comes to hosting. So sites like Hazeltine, Whistling Straights, etc. that have hosted PGA events in the past, are basically cut off due to weather. My recollection when the US Open was hosted at Erin Hills was that the USGA was looking for an upper midwest site, but I don't think that entire experience went over all that well.

[swoopem]

By the way, dish, I agree about the real tour.  The Midwest gets short changed. I miss the Buick Open birdiefest in Grand Blanc.    Sadly, that is not where the tour is going right now.  The closest is the Deere followed by Jack's place in Ohio.

The rocket mortgage at DGC. They've extended it also

[tower912]

Doh!

[Herman Cain]

You make really good points I didn't consider.

I probably should have just said the entire tour schedule (not just the playoff events) skipping Chicago/Wisconsin feels like a missed opportunity for the tour/golf fans. Certainly should take your points (especially on sponsors) into consideration.

I guess I'm old enough now to have taken for granted getting the Western Open and GMO on the tour's regular schedule. Don't get me started on the men's future majors skipping the Midwest altogether. At least the Women are coming to MN and Chicago Golf Club in the next decade.

Edit: Hazeltine does have the Ryder Cup in '29.

Oakland Hills has quite a few USGA events lined up for the future including 4 majors
https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/03/22/usga-eight-events-oakland-hills-country-club-michigan/

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You make really good points I didn't consider.

I probably should have just said the entire tour schedule (not just the playoff events) skipping Chicago/Wisconsin feels like a missed opportunity for the tour/golf fans. Certainly should take your points (especially on sponsors) into consideration.

I guess I'm old enough now to have taken for granted getting the Western Open and GMO on the tour's regular schedule. Don't get me started on the men's future majors skipping the Midwest altogether. At least the Women are coming to MN and Chicago Golf Club in the next decade.

Edit: Hazeltine does have the Ryder Cup in '29.

There's only one course in Chicago salivating to be a regular tour stop in the area, and no one wants to go back there.

Select privates are interesting in rotating every few years, but annual stop is a non-starter for many privates.

Kohler only wants majors. EH is stuck with USGA. Sentryworld would probably host, but that's the only real logical spot I could think of in Wisconsin.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Oakland Hills has quite a few USGA events lined up for the future including 4 majors
https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/03/22/usga-eight-events-oakland-hills-country-club-michigan/

Probably the second nicest course I ever played. Was the "plus one" for a friend of mine that got the invite from a member. On the very first hole, I accidentally played our host's ball instead of mine. Doh! My golf balls now have a gigantic sharpie mark on them.

I wonder why I never received an invitation to return...

[Dish]

Oakland Hills has quite a few USGA events lined up for the future including 4 majors
https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/03/22/usga-eight-events-oakland-hills-country-club-michigan/

You'll notice I purposely left out RMC and Bloomfield Hills.

[Dish]

There's only one course in Chicago salivating to be a regular tour stop in the area, and no one wants to go back there.

Select privates are interesting in rotating every few years, but annual stop is a non-starter for many privates.

Kohler only wants majors. EH is stuck with USGA. Sentryworld would probably host, but that's the only real logical spot I could think of in Wisconsin.

I'll assume you're talking about Cog Hill or Olympia Fields (I'd pass on both). I won't argue about the private clubs, but Chicago GC is hosting the Women's US Open in 2033. RH hosted LIV the last two years. I know they won't go back to Butler (sigh).

[cheebs09]

The President's Cup is coming to Medinah in 2026.

After the reviews of the Ryder Cup, I was hoping Whistling Straits would be a part of the FedEx Playoffs, but I could see them not wanting major events. Although, not sure what that would be unless the PGA moves back to August.

[MU82]

What's wrong with Cog Hill? They used to get large, enthusiastic crowds when they hosted the Western Open every year, and the top pros in the world spoke very highly about the course. Tiger loved it. It was a little too difficult for me, but I still enjoyed playing there the dozen or so times I did.

I haven't been around those parts for a long time. Has perception of the course changed?

[The Sultan]

What's wrong with Cog Hill? They used to get large, enthusiastic crowds when they hosted the Western Open every year, and the top pros in the world spoke very highly about the course. Tiger loved it. It was a little too difficult for me, but I still enjoyed playing there the dozen or so times I did.

I haven't been around those parts for a long time. Has perception of the course changed?

My recollection is that a redesign of the course went very poorly.

[Goose]

82

I went to CH for the Western multiple times. Tiger did love the course and loved watching him play there. We saw Nick Price put on a great performance one year on a Friday. Great crowds and great course, imo.

[RJax55]

My recollection is that a redesign of the course went very poorly.

Phil really crapped on the redesigned, but he's irrelevant to the Tour these days. I bet most of the current Tour players have never played the course.

The bigger issue is that sponsors don't like Cog Hill.

[🏀]

The redesign was ridiculously overdone. Trying too hard for an US Open, tour will never return.

[MU82]

The bigger issue is that sponsors don't like Cog Hill.

Why?

The redesign was ridiculously overdone. Trying too hard for an US Open, tour will never return.

Thanks for the answer. (And to Sultan for similar response.)

[Herman Cain]

The location of non major golf events is a function of The Sponsor and The Charity that is beneficiary. For many years The Western Open was in Chicago and The Western Golf Association Evans Scholars was beneficiary. Cog Hill fit well into that equation when the dollars involved where more manageable.

When the PGA Tour upgraded The Western to a playoff event with larger purse ( BMW Championship) other venues outside Chicago came into the mix. Evans Scholars is doing extremely well as a result of change in venue

This article gives a detail explanation of why the tournament is not coming into Chicago any time soon. As RJax 55 pointed out, Part of it had do with marketing the event. In addition to the presenting sponsors there are all sorts of other Corporations involved who use these events. For example one of the big vendors to our Company is hosting a couple of our Executives and their Spouses in Castle Pines at The BMW this week. It took all of two seconds for us to accept that invite .

The article below points out there is an 18 month marketing window to sell the sub sponsorships and with The Presidents Cup coming to Chicago in 2026 it was viewed as too much of a conflict to bring the BMW back to Chicago any time in the next few years.

https://www.si.com/golf/news/not-so-sweet-home-chicago-bmw-championship-wont-be-back-for-years#:~:text=But%20we%20want%20to%20come,out%20from%20a%20corporate%20perspective

Article detailing Western Golf Association as beneficiary

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0438795EN/bmw-championship-raises-5-5-million-for-the-evans-scholars-foundation-and-is-the-tournament-of-the-year?language=en

https://wgaesf.org/a-legacy-of-championships/6-bmw-championship

[RJax55]

Why?

Feeling was that the course didn't cater to their expectations when it came to sponsor suites, tents and areas. 

[WhiteTrash]

I'll assume you're talking about Cog Hill or Olympia Fields (I'd pass on both). I won't argue about the private clubs, but Chicago GC is hosting the Women's US Open in 2033. RH hosted LIV the last two years. I know they won't go back to Butler (sigh).

That is interesting because Chicago GC didn't allow women members, but maybe that has changed. It's a great course and I believe the oldest 18 hole course in America.

[RJax55]

That is interesting because Chicago GC didn't allow women members, but maybe that has changed. It's a great course and I believe the oldest 18 hole course in America.

They do. Chicago GC hosted the US Women's Senior Open in 2018.

[MU1in77]

The legends golf clubs in Waukesha are better than St Andrews!

I'm only saying this because we have had 45 posts on this golf thread since Rico last posted on July 26 and I am officially worried. Thought this would get a rise out of him.

[tower912]

Rico went on a buddies golf trip to Michigan, and is taking a self chosen break from  scoop.   I would expect him back in a couple more weeks.