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Goose

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tower

I am pissed off at everyone involved. I will not be watching LIV again this year and likely watching a lot less of the PGA.

Who else do you think is going to take the money and run?

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Goose on December 07, 2023, 02:31:50 PM
tower

I am pissed off at everyone involved. I will not be watching LIV again this year and likely watching a lot less of the PGA.

Who else do you think is going to take the money and run?

If Rahm got assurance his Ryder Cup status was safe, a whole lotta European players gunna be gone.

LPGA is better viewing anyway
Guster is for Lovers

Goose

Rico

Great point. The PGA is in a very difficult position, and I do think they have the leadership to keep up from sinking completely.

🏀

I see myself watching golf from Kapalua to the Masters, then majors only.

I used to watch every weekend when I had a moment.

Herman Cain

Rahm to LIV is good for CW Sports



"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Uncle Rico

Guster is for Lovers

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2023, 03:08:22 PM
If Rahm got assurance his Ryder Cup status was safe, a whole lotta European players gunna be gone.

LPGA is better viewing anyway

You're very right.

You're very wrong.

Spaniel with a Short Tail

I like the LPGA because their yardages are way closer to mine. 200 yard 7-irons? GTFO!

Agree with Tower and Goose sentiments. I can't see myself ever getting invested in LIV. Maybe the younger generation will. IDK.

MuggsyB

Norman has destroyed golf.  I've only been watching the LPGA. 

MU82

I'll watch the majors, and that's it.

Kolek 'em.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

rocket surgeon

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 07, 2023, 10:34:45 PM
Norman has destroyed golf.  I've only been watching the LPGA.

  sorry to disagree here muggs, but i think jay monahan destroyed PGA golf.  monahan sat back smuggly(no pun intended muggs) and dared anyone to crap in his litter box.  while he was doing that, they(PGA) sat on a big steaming pile of money short of full disclosure. 

    many of the players are like...what do ya got down there??  rightly or wrongly, monahan tried to play dictator and picked and chose who were in his "club"  tiger, mcllroy, speith?, thomas?, scheffler??,  and even with those, once the latest ruling on LIV vs PGA came out, lil rory was royally p!ssed off because of how much $$ he left on the table.  what the hell, tiger doesn't need the money so he's just going along to get along. 

monahan severely over played his hand here
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

MUBurrow

After the PGA hung its players out to dry and gave up its position of moral superiority by agreeing to merge with LIV in the middle of the night, its hard for me to mad at anyone that flips at this point.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MUBurrow on December 08, 2023, 08:38:31 AM
After the PGA hung its players out to dry and gave up its position of moral superiority by agreeing to merge with LIV in the middle of the night, its hard for me to mad at anyone that flips at this point.

I don't disagree but the sport is gross
Guster is for Lovers

JWags85

Outside of the PGA-LIV politics, genuinely happy for Rahm.  He's a good dude, entertaining and incredible competitor, and been the most consistent top player in the world for almost 5 years, and now he's getting generational wealth.  Vamos Jefe

Lennys Tap

Quote from: MUBurrow on December 08, 2023, 08:38:31 AM
After the PGA hung its players out to dry and gave up its position of moral superiority by agreeing to merge with LIV in the middle of the night, its hard for me to mad at anyone that flips at this point.

Every time something happens that makes a sport more lucrative for the athletes people boycott and claim that the sport's death knell is around the corner.

Curt Flood and free agency, the AFL, the ABA, the WHA, NIL and now LIV - people stomp their feet, boycott or even whine that they'll become fans of women's versions of the sport. LOL, never happens.

After a bit, the sports end up stronger and more successful as the organizations that govern them become more player friendly.

A few Scoopers can boycott men's golf (or at least say they will) but everything will turn out fine in the end. The Saudi money isn't all that more dirty than the cash that's been fueling the engine forever. But it does give people a chance to jump on a moral high horse - a favorite hobby around here.

cheebs09

Yea, I'm not sure I can really blame Rahm here. I think the PGA lost the moral high ground when agreeing to a deal with PIF. I'm guessing that was the major change for Rahm along with LIV maybe accepting some of his format changes.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 08, 2023, 11:32:31 AM
Every time something happens that makes a sport more lucrative for the athletes people boycott and claim that the sport's death knell is around the corner.

Curt Flood and free agency, the AFL, the ABA, the WHA, NIL and now LIV - people stomp their feet, boycott or even whine that they'll become fans of women's versions of the sport. LOL, never happens.

After a bit, the sports end up stronger and more successful as the organizations that govern them become more player friendly.

A few Scoopers can boycott men's golf (or at least say they will) but everything will turn out fine in the end. The Saudi money isn't all that more dirty than the cash that's been fueling the engine forever. But it does give people a chance to jump on a moral high horse - a favorite hobby around here.

Golf is a niche sport, unlike the major sports.  The current split is akin to the IRL/Cart split of the mid-90's and that sport has yet to recover.  Golf, unlike the NFL which yields massive ratings and return on investment by advertisers will never be able to function as a sport where individuals are being paid guaranteed money of over $100 million a player. 

As far as becoming a fan of the woman's game, my posting history clearly shows my interest in the woman's game has always been real and will continue to be real.  Not all sports fans are chauvinistic pigs.

Guster is for Lovers

Goose

Lenny

My only issue with Liv is not seeing the best payers compete on a regular basis. Don't care where the money is coming from and never fault a guy for hitting score. I feel badly that a sport that I have enjoyed my entire life is very messed up and it pisses me off.

I will not boycott watching the PGA but my interest level for low end tournament probably will be close to zero. Likely will not be watching Liv any time soon.

tower912

I watched as much LPGA golf on non-major weekends as I did PGA golf.   I spent 100x more time watching either than I did watching college football.   I sent zero time watching LIV golf.   I do not envision any of those things changing going forward.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: tower912 on December 08, 2023, 02:42:18 PM
I watched as much LPGA golf on non-major weekends as I did PGA golf.   

And some people watch as much WNBA as NBA. But not many.

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 08, 2023, 12:00:13 PM


As far as becoming a fan of the woman's game, my posting history clearly shows my interest in the woman's game has always been real and will continue to be real.  Not all sports fans are chauvinistic pigs.

LOL. A few women and fewer men prefer watching women's softball to baseball or the LPGA to the PGA. An insignificant number, though.






Uncle Rico

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 08, 2023, 04:31:52 PM
LOL. A few women and fewer men prefer watching women's softball to baseball or the LPGA to the PGA. An insignificant number, though.

And?  Who said otherwise?
Guster is for Lovers

tower912

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 08, 2023, 04:31:52 PM
LOL. A few women and fewer men prefer watching women's softball to baseball or the LPGA to the PGA. An insignificant number, though.

Thank you, Archie Bunker.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

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