Dom Perignon or Cristal

[Uncle Rico]

Okay....what should I do?  Bordeaux?  I just drink good beer Galway.

Bordeaux would be fine as long as you get a good vintage.

Cabs are not overrated.  Over priced?  Sure, but so is Bordeaux

[Uncle Rico]

Moët and Chandon is the highest id go for champagne.

That's too high in price now, too.  I'd rather drink a domestic sparkler than overpay for Moët

[Galway Eagle]

Nothing says I don't know wine like saying cab sauv stinks.

Sure I have a wine fridge filled with a ton of > 4 star wines but because I don't jizz my pants for overpriced Napa crap and would rather get a great brunello or Sangiovese then I must not know wine. But I'm sure your tour guide from that drunken weekend in Napa was totally impartial when they sold you on overpriced crap.

The majority of cabs found around me come from cali. Cali wines are overly sweet and oaky with like no other notes. Is this true across the board? Nope. Is it true enough that I'm more likely to enjoy a random glass from France or Italy than a glass of the Napa cab? Most definitely. They're also too high in alcohol relative to such a simple wine.

Yes I've been lucky to find some French cabs that are much better but in my experience mostly are going to be high alcohol sugar bombs from cali.

[Uncle Rico]

Sure I have a wine fridge filled with a ton of > 4 star wines but because I don't jizz my pants for overpriced Napa crap and would rather get a great brunello or Sangiovese then I must not know wine. But I'm sure your tour guide from that drunken weekend in Napa was totally impartial when they sold you on overpriced crap.

The majority of cabs found around me come from cali. Cali wines are overly sweet and oaky with like no other notes. Is this true across the board? Nope. Is it true enough that I'm more likely to enjoy a random glass from France or Italy than a glass of the Napa cab? Most definitely. They're also too high in alcohol relative to such a simple wine.

Yes I've been lucky to find some French cabs that are much better but in my experience mostly are going to be high alcohol sugar bombs from cali.

Eh

[The Sultan]

Sure I have a wine fridge filled with a ton of > 4 star wines but because I don't jizz my pants for overpriced Napa crap and would rather get a great brunello or Sangiovese then I must not know wine. But I'm sure your tour guide from that drunken weekend in Napa was totally impartial when they sold you on overpriced crap.

The majority of cabs found around me come from cali. Cali wines are overly sweet and oaky with like no other notes. Is this true across the board? Nope. Is it true enough that I'm more likely to enjoy a random glass from France or Italy than a glass of the Napa cab? Most definitely. They're also too high in alcohol relative to such a simple wine.

Yes I've been lucky to find some French cabs that are much better but in my experience mostly are going to be high alcohol sugar bombs from cali.

[MuggsyB]

Bordeaux would be fine as long as you get a good vintage.

Cabs are not overrated.  Over priced?  Sure, but so is Bordeaux

Do you know anything about Lynch Bages? 

[StillAWarrior]

Sure I have a wine fridge filled with a ton of > 4 star wines but because I don't jizz my pants for overpriced Napa crap and would rather get a great brunello or Sangiovese then I must not know wine. But I'm sure your tour guide from that drunken weekend in Napa was totally impartial when they sold you on overpriced crap.

The majority of cabs found around me come from cali. Cali wines are overly sweet and oaky with like no other notes. Is this true across the board? Nope. Is it true enough that I'm more likely to enjoy a random glass from France or Italy than a glass of the Napa cab? Most definitely. They're also too high in alcohol relative to such a simple wine.

Yes I've been lucky to find some French cabs that are much better but in my experience mostly are going to be high alcohol sugar bombs from cali.

[MuggsyB]

Is Opus One also overrated?  TY.

[Uncle Rico]

Is Opus One also overrated?  TY.

Yes

[Uncle Rico]

Do you know anything about Lynch Bages?

Always depends on vintage.  You're paying a lot for the name and history but some of the wines will be amazing.

Do you want your mom to drink right away or age the wine?  Any great Bordeaux needs to age

[JWags85]

Sure I have a wine fridge filled with a ton of > 4 star wines but because I don't jizz my pants for overpriced Napa crap and would rather get a great brunello or Sangiovese then I must not know wine. But I'm sure your tour guide from that drunken weekend in Napa was totally impartial when they sold you on overpriced crap.

The majority of cabs found around me come from cali. Cali wines are overly sweet and oaky with like no other notes. Is this true across the board? Nope. Is it true enough that I'm more likely to enjoy a random glass from France or Italy than a glass of the Napa cab? Most definitely. They're also too high in alcohol relative to such a simple wine.

Yes I've been lucky to find some French cabs that are much better but in my experience mostly are going to be high alcohol sugar bombs from cali.

Did a Napa wine guide steal an ex of yours?

That's a lot of words to sh** on a French wine, also notable in Spanish foundation, that also produces excellent varieties in Italy, as well as underrated regions like Chile and South Africa, in an hilariously arrogant argument centered around only California cab, highlighted by you apparently having access to mediocre wine stores.

It's like castigating pizza as a food because you live near St Louis and hate their pizza

[MuggsyB]

Always depends on vintage.  You're paying a lot for the name and history but some of the wines will be amazing.

Do you want your mom to drink right away or age the wine?  Any great Bordeaux needs to age

I'm basically looking at a price range and drinkable relatively soon.

[panda]

Sure I have a wine fridge filled with a ton of > 4 star wines but because I don't jizz my pants for overpriced Napa crap and would rather get a great brunello or Sangiovese then I must not know wine. But I'm sure your tour guide from that drunken weekend in Napa was totally impartial when they sold you on overpriced crap.

The majority of cabs found around me come from cali. Cali wines are overly sweet and oaky with like no other notes. Is this true across the board? Nope. Is it true enough that I'm more likely to enjoy a random glass from France or Italy than a glass of the Napa cab? Most definitely. They're also too high in alcohol relative to such a simple wine.

Yes I've been lucky to find some French cabs that are much better but in my experience mostly are going to be high alcohol sugar bombs from cali.

Sangiovese is not one of my personal favorites so it's most definitely universally accepted as overrated....

[StillAWarrior]

I will preface this by saying my wife and I really aren't wine aficionados...so, take the remainder for what it's worth.

This year my wife picked up a wine advent calendar from Costco. Twenty-four half bottles of wine; one for each December day leading up to Christmas (for those not familiar with advent calendars). All were foreign. There were some hits and misses...and we've still got probably 6-8 left since we didn't drink one every day.

But, we enjoyed it.

[Galway Eagle]

Did a Napa wine guide steal an ex of yours?

That's a lot of words to sh** on a French wine, also notable in Spanish foundation, that also produces excellent varieties in Italy, as well as underrated regions like Chile and South Africa, in an hilariously arrogant argument centered around only California cab, highlighted by you apparently having access to mediocre wine stores.

It's like castigating pizza as a food because you live near St Louis and hate their pizza

No but a Napa wine salesman did throw me under the bus for taking acid as he tried to steal my uncles boat. Wonder if that's the root of a lot of my hatred.

But fine I retract my statement to "california cabs are the most overrated wine around up there with malbec". Happy?

[Uncle Rico]

I'm basically looking at a price range and drinkable relatively soon.

Then, unless you have access to a wine store with multiple vintages available, you'll probably want to steer clear of Napa Cabs and Bordeauxs. 

If you're unsure, find a reputable wine shop and they'll happily guide you in the right direction.  If you're in the Milwaukee area, Ray's or Discount Liquor Milwaukee are safe choices.  They won't steer you wrong and Discount Liquor Milwaukee has a huge library of great wine.  Don't go to Total.  They'll sell you one of their "exclusives"

[The Sultan]

It's like castigating pizza as a food because you live near St Louis and hate their pizza

Uh-oh.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Uh-oh.

The Mississippi Valley produces the finest yadietals on earth.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Sure I have a wine fridge filled with a ton of > 4 star wines but because I don't jizz my pants for overpriced Napa crap and would rather get a great brunello or Sangiovese then I must not know wine. But I'm sure your tour guide from that drunken weekend in Napa was totally impartial when they sold you on overpriced crap.

The majority of cabs found around me come from cali. Cali wines are overly sweet and oaky with like no other notes. Is this true across the board? Nope. Is it true enough that I'm more likely to enjoy a random glass from France or Italy than a glass of the Napa cab? Most definitely. They're also too high in alcohol relative to such a simple wine.

Yes I've been lucky to find some French cabs that are much better but in my experience mostly are going to be high alcohol sugar bombs from cali.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/27/dining/drinks/wine-school-cabernet-sauvignon-california.html

[Galway Eagle]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/27/dining/drinks/wine-school-cabernet-sauvignon-california.html

"In wine and politics and too many other areas, broad, simple messages seem irresistible. They support dogma and perhaps make life seem easier. But by ignoring complexities and nuance, they diminish understanding. That's the worst possible outcome."

If we stopped doing this scoop would cease to be.

[Dr. Blackheart]

"In wine and politics and too many other areas, broad, simple messages seem irresistible. They support dogma and perhaps make life seem easier. But by ignoring complexities and nuance, they diminish understanding. That's the worst possible outcome."

If we stopped doing this scoop would cease to be.

It is my belief that many Scoop posts are Cabernet fueled.

[JWags85]

I will preface this by saying my wife and I really aren't wine aficionados...so, take the remainder for what it's worth.

This year my wife picked up a wine advent calendar from Costco. Twenty-four half bottles of wine; one for each December day leading up to Christmas (for those not familiar with advent calendars). All were foreign. There were some hits and misses...and we've still got probably 6-8 left since we didn't drink one every day.

But, we enjoyed it.

Totally agree.  Didn't do it this year cause my wife nursing a 2-3 month old didn't lend itself to sampling a bunch of wines, but got it last year and it was fun.  Some were crap, some were good, some were great.  Great way to expose yourself to a lot of regions and varieties, without buying a bunch of full priced bottles blind

[Uncle Rico]

Totally agree.  Didn't do it this year cause my wife nursing a 2-3 month old didn't lend itself to sampling a bunch of wines, but got it last year and it was fun.  Some were crap, some were good, some were great.  Great way to expose yourself to a lot of regions and varieties, without buying a bunch of full priced bottles blind

Too many of the ones I've seen and tried don't have great representation of the regions, though. 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I'm basically looking at a price range and drinkable relatively soon.

High Life, then.

[WhiteTrash]

Or people like what they like...

So true Sultan. My mother in law, who can afford to drink anything in the world, prefers Sutter Home white zin.