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Re: Big East 2024 Offseason
« Reply #6275 on: May 29, 2024, 09:44:06 AM »
Telfort withdraws from the draft and is heading back to Butler. Big news for the Bulldogs to vault them into the top 8 in the conference.

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Re: Big East 2024 Offseason
« Reply #6277 on: May 29, 2024, 02:25:55 PM »
Now THAT one is big.
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Re: Big East 2024 Offseason
« Reply #6278 on: May 29, 2024, 02:27:28 PM »
Crazy move. But big for Uconn
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Re: Big East 2024 Offseason
« Reply #6279 on: May 29, 2024, 03:46:21 PM »
Now THAT one is big.

I’m shocked he’s coming back, unless he had a bad combine. 

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Re: Big East 2024 Offseason
« Reply #6280 on: May 29, 2024, 03:48:48 PM »
I’m shocked he’s coming back, unless he had a bad combine.
Actually, he played well. Dont know about the rest of the testing and measurements.

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Re: Big East 2024 Offseason
« Reply #6281 on: May 29, 2024, 04:15:39 PM »
Karaban has a good shot from deep, but isn't terribly athletic and not really all that explosive. If he had a Sam Hauser 3 point shot, and it hasn't shown that yet, he might find a role in the NBA. But even Sam wasn't drafted.
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Re: Big East 2024 Offseason
« Reply #6282 on: May 29, 2024, 05:23:07 PM »
Karaban early candidate for Big East Player of The Year along with Kam
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Re: Big East 2024 Offseason
« Reply #6283 on: May 30, 2024, 12:22:52 AM »
Really surprising to me that Karaban would return in such a weak draft class. Perhaps some big NIL money helped tip the scales.

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Re: Big East 2024 Offseason
« Reply #6284 on: May 30, 2024, 06:11:00 AM »
Really surprising to me that Karaban would return in such a weak draft class. Perhaps some big NIL money helped tip the scales.

Same with many of the returners.  I don't understand the mentality other than they're betting on themselves.

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« Reply #6285 on: May 30, 2024, 06:15:43 AM »
Better NIL deals than two way deals?
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Re: Big East 2024 Offseason
« Reply #6286 on: May 30, 2024, 06:23:22 AM »
Better NIL deals than two way deals?

I guess?  Thing is if they don't get drafted this year in a weak draft what chance do they have next year?  Unless they know the NBA isn't a reality at all, I don't see the reason to stick around another year.  Especially guys like Karaban, Love, and Sears.

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Re: Big East 2024 Offseason
« Reply #6287 on: May 30, 2024, 08:10:07 AM »
I guess?  Thing is if they don't get drafted this year in a weak draft what chance do they have next year?  Unless they know the NBA isn't a reality at all, I don't see the reason to stick around another year.  Especially guys like Karaban, Love, and Sears.


My guess with Karaban is that he wasn't going to go in the first round, received feedback on how he can improve his game, and decided that given what he would be making with an NIL deal, that staying in college was the better option.

Again, I don't think he is as good an NBA prospect as some people here think he is.
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Re: Big East 2024 Offseason
« Reply #6288 on: May 30, 2024, 08:13:29 AM »

My guess with Karaban is that he wasn't going to go in the first round, received feedback on how he can improve his game, and decided that given what he would be making with an NIL deal, that staying in college was the better option.

Again, I don't think he is as good an NBA prospect as some people here think he is.

I agree with you.  And even with the work he might put in this year, he's looking at a bigger hill to climb to be drafted next year.  He's not going to develop more athleticism at the age of 22.

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« Reply #6289 on: May 30, 2024, 08:22:10 AM »
I agree with you.  And even with the work he might put in this year, he's looking at a bigger hill to climb to be drafted next year.  He's not going to develop more athleticism at the age of 22.

No, but there were concerns about his shot mechanics as well. My guess is that part of the feedback is that, while he is a good shooter, he isn't the knockdown shooter than is worthy of being drafted.

He's an example of how NIL is keeping borderline players in school. A couple years ago, I think he would have stuck with it. So would many of these guys.
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« Reply #6290 on: May 30, 2024, 09:05:23 AM »
No, but there were concerns about his shot mechanics as well. My guess is that part of the feedback is that, while he is a good shooter, he isn't the knockdown shooter than is worthy of being drafted.

He's an example of how NIL is keeping borderline players in school. A couple years ago, I think he would have stuck with it. So would many of these guys.

your second point is dead on. Caraban is likely getting mid-six figures or more to stay. In the past, a low six figure deal overseas was more appealing than another year of playing college ball. Now they can stay and make more while still staying on the NBA radar.
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Re: Big East 2024 Offseason
« Reply #6291 on: May 30, 2024, 09:05:30 AM »
Better NIL deals than two way deals?

It's possible, but the real value in the NBA is getting to that second contract. I'm sure there are better NIL offers than the roughly $560k cap for a two-way deal (though how many actually pay better at the end of the day is an open question) but if you're someone like Karaban who was looking at the back end of the first round, you're not just giving up the $2M per year (roughly) for four years, but delaying how soon you can get to a deal that pays you $5M+.

If I'm a potential first round pick, I'd be telling boosters that NIL deal has to be worth more than the first year of my second contract, but it seems most of these guys aren't thinking that far out.
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Re: Big East 2024 Offseason
« Reply #6292 on: May 30, 2024, 09:09:35 AM »
But I don't think Karaban was going to be a first round pick. My guess is that if he had that feedback, he may have gone. But almost everything I have seen indicates mid-second round at best.
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Re: Big East 2024 Offseason
« Reply #6295 on: June 02, 2024, 04:15:54 PM »
Georgetown #8?  As low as that program has fallen, that seems unrealistic.

Two questions:

1. Where would you rank them?

2. How does this change?

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« Reply #6296 on: June 02, 2024, 04:47:43 PM »
Two questions:

1. Where would you rank them?

2. How does this change?

Not directed at me, but here's my thoughts:

League title contenders: UConn, Marquette, Creighton, Xavier

At-large bid contenders: Providence, St. John's, Butler

Scrapping at the bottom: Villanova, Seton Hall, Georgetown, DePaul

So the question is "can Georgetown be the top of the bottom?" I think 8th is pretty reasonable.

You have to think DePaul will finish last. I actually like what Holtmann put together all things considered, but it's 13 new players and they are all either bit players for high-majors, contributors for lower-level programs, or freshmen. Probably more like a 4-5 win team than the 0-20 under Stubblefield, but it'll take more than one year to turn it around.

I'd have Villanova tenth. Getting Dixon back is significant, but this might be both the worst roster and coach in the league. If they can land Wooga Poplar or another somewhat impactful transfer, maybe they're a little better, but this is similarly freshmen, bit players at high majors, and decent mid-major players surrounding an all-Big East level player in Dixon. Neptune will figure out how to make them less than the sum of the parts, and the parts aren't very good.

So what about Seton Hall? Holloway will probably get solid defense out of this team, but there's just not a lot of proven production. Middleton and Aligbe were role-players on non-tourney teams that now need to be stars. Jenkins and Harmon put up numbers, but for pretty marginal programs. Addae-Wusu and Coleman are okay, but closer to fourth or fifth options than first.

Is Georgetown the best of this bunch? Epps can play at this level, as can Peavy. I like the addition of Malik Mack giving them another floor general. Not sure about Burks or Williams, but they're no less proven than the HM transfers those other programs brought in.  And Sorber/Mulready is probably the best pair of freshmen any of these programs have.

Might come down to Supreme Cook. If he's back at Georgetown, I can see 8th being realistic, maybe even 7th. If he goes to Seton Hall, maybe that lifts the Pirates ahead of the Hoyas.
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« Reply #6297 on: June 02, 2024, 08:49:43 PM »
Not directed at me, but here's my thoughts:

League title contenders: UConn, Marquette, Creighton, Xavier

At-large bid contenders: Providence, St. John's, Butler

Scrapping at the bottom: Villanova, Seton Hall, Georgetown, DePaul

So the question is "can Georgetown be the top of the bottom?" I think 8th is pretty reasonable.

You have to think DePaul will finish last. I actually like what Holtmann put together all things considered, but it's 13 new players and they are all either bit players for high-majors, contributors for lower-level programs, or freshmen. Probably more like a 4-5 win team than the 0-20 under Stubblefield, but it'll take more than one year to turn it around.

I'd have Villanova tenth. Getting Dixon back is significant, but this might be both the worst roster and coach in the league. If they can land Wooga Poplar or another somewhat impactful transfer, maybe they're a little better, but this is similarly freshmen, bit players at high majors, and decent mid-major players surrounding an all-Big East level player in Dixon. Neptune will figure out how to make them less than the sum of the parts, and the parts aren't very good.

So what about Seton Hall? Holloway will probably get solid defense out of this team, but there's just not a lot of proven production. Middleton and Aligbe were role-players on non-tourney teams that now need to be stars. Jenkins and Harmon put up numbers, but for pretty marginal programs. Addae-Wusu and Coleman are okay, but closer to fourth or fifth options than first.

Is Georgetown the best of this bunch? Epps can play at this level, as can Peavy. I like the addition of Malik Mack giving them another floor general. Not sure about Burks or Williams, but they're no less proven than the HM transfers those other programs brought in.  And Sorber/Mulready is probably the best pair of freshmen any of these programs have.

Might come down to Supreme Cook. If he's back at Georgetown, I can see 8th being realistic, maybe even 7th. If he goes to Seton Hall, maybe that lifts the Pirates ahead of the Hoyas.
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Re: Big East 2024 Offseason
« Reply #6298 on: June 02, 2024, 08:56:16 PM »
MU is a whole is greater than sum of parts program and now we have its inverse at Villanova, as their whole is less than the sum of parts .

No it isn’t.
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« Reply #6299 on: June 02, 2024, 09:43:52 PM »
MU is a whole is greater than sum of parts program and now we have its inverse at Villanova, as their whole is less than the sum of parts .

Generally speaking, well coached teams (MU under Shaka) are better than the sum of their parts and poorly coached teams (Nova under Neptune) are worse than the sum of their parts. So for the time being anyway, yeah.